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Amazon WFH Policy

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 490 ✭✭darklighter


    They dont though….all they have to do is show that they "considered" the request, and once they do that in line with whatever policies & procedures they have around that request, they can refuse away to their hearts content

    Which is exactly how the government intended the 'right to request' to work……they were never going to mandate big firms to have to come up with reasons against people WFH



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,649 ✭✭✭Ezeoul


    Then it is open to be challenged. They have to show a bit more than "we considered it".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 150 ✭✭HurlingBoy


    That is the problem for employers. The strong performer can get their work done regardless of where they are. However the weak performer cannot be trusted but companies can't be seen to allow the strong performer work from home and the weak performer work in the office. Unfortunately everyone pays the price then and all get mandated back to the office.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 242 ✭✭Qaanaaq


    It depends a lot on the individual country. Ireland has a much higher WFH percentage than a lot of other countries. Part of that reason is that it has been endorsed by the government as being a good thing for country in general. Remember the stories from years ago with people having to commute to Dublin 5 days per week. Spending more than a mortgage on childcare 5 days per week. The positives far outweigh the negatives.

    Sure some American companies will try and force change and that will work in certain jurisdictions, but ultimately they will be a less attractive employer in the marketplace but it's their decision. Amazon seems to be regarded as having a terrible work culture anyway.

    Hybrid WFH in Ireland is here to stay.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,982 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    A good employer though could sort it easily through a range of measures, rather than this half arsed, all in together plan. As an employer, if the work isn't getting done, you don't have to sit there and tolerate it just because they are working from home, the rules still apply.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,150 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    They really don't as recent case demonstrated. It's a toothless showboating bit of legislation..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,150 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Remote working existed before COVID. Have done it on and off most of my working life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,809 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    not really, taking a case to the WRC would be a monumental waste of everyones time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,809 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    or they will look back and wonder what were people thinking when they claimed working alone in isolation for weeks on end was good for work place morale and peoples mental health.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,150 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    I don't think it's the govt. I've worked remotely long before COVID. I'd argue its more the concentration of tech companies and such. Also a lot of multi national companies. Where you're working with teams internationally. Also Ireland doesn't have that corporate culture mindset that you see in Japan or America.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 150 ✭✭HurlingBoy


    I agree a good employer should have an strong review system where individuals are rewarded based on their productivity regardless of where they are but alot of companies struggle with this. You always know the office worker who is always ringing in sick or has some excuse to WFH. Is a manager going to tell this worker you cannot wfh i.e I don't trust you or wait for company to apply a blanket policy that punishes everyone?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,834 ✭✭✭Mark Hamill


    Because it is an undeniable positive improvement both for employee well-being and happiness and for work efficiency and productivity.

    It doesn't matter that people got it all of a sudden only recently, do you think a CEO would get very far in a shareholder meeting if they said "Yes, we did have a bumper year of profit in 2023, but we should aim to return to the normality of previous 5 years when we in the red"?

    Removing WFH is for only two reasons - either quiet firing (as others have said in the thread) or because management hate having happy employees they can't control every minute of the work day (and outside of it):



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 786 ✭✭✭foxsake


    a lot has changed in that very recently.

    employees should vote with their feet but i find they tend not to , fear of changes means so many Irish stay long term in jobs/orgs they hate.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,982 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    I would be the type who says if you are going to work from home because you are sick, but your job requires you to work on site, that I would tell you no, this is a sick day, do not work, recover, go to a doctor if necessary but you are sick, that is it, this is one of your sick days.

    Yes, there are some jobs where you can work while sick from home, and that is fine, but if you are sick enough you cannot do the job comptently, then no, it is a sick day, that is it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,035 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    Well they are entitled to vote with their feet and move companies. At the end of the day, employees dont have a right to work from home though.

    Unless its in your contract, it isn't a right.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,603 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    Funny enough, I've never seen a proper metric that shows WFH increases profits.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 119 ✭✭spark_tank


    If your solution to social challenges is spending most of your life with people you don't get to choose in a place you have to commute to, then I feel for you. It's not healthy. And it absolutely became an issue during Covid because so many people realised that due to working so much they didn't and hadn't been making time for healthy relationships and social groups. The right solution is not returning to a workplace for most of the week.

    Give me more time at home with family, enjoying meals together, and having extra time and energy for social clubs and friends. I get on very well with colleagues and can easily call or video call them and meet in the office once a week and for nights out etc..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,765 ✭✭✭ec18


    depending on the location in the US there are tax breaks for companies the more they use their offices



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,150 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 617 ✭✭✭Dublinflyer


    I have worked for US companies most of my working life, almost 30 years, and I can tell you the only reason they are the best places to work in Ireland is that we have all the protection of labour laws on our side. If US complanies treated their Irish staff the same as those located in the US the polls would be reversed. I am not disagreeing with you, but the context of how we are protected is important. We do have the best of both worlds with a lot of these companies, we get all the perks of the US without the constant fear of getting called to a meeting on a Friday and told this is your last day without any real reason.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,809 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    if you find it that difficult to build relationships with work colleagues and enjoy your work life then i feel for you. Working at home in isolation full time is not healthy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,150 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 150 ✭✭HurlingBoy


    That's not the point I am trying to make. I am saying that the lazy worker will have the reputation of calling in sick when not sick, working from home when not working etc. Companies that do not have proper review systems allow worker get away with this. Managers want to coast along avoiding having the difficult conversations with people, no real recognition for performance, low morale because some of the team want to progress with their careers but other happy to take the pay cheque. This is down to company culture. Company then has to use the stick rather the carrot to control people and WFH is removed for everyone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 295 ✭✭Soc_Alt




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 295 ✭✭Soc_Alt


    Most people working in large multinationals will be returning to office soon

    In 2025 you will see many companies going from 3 day to a full 5 days.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60 ✭✭vival20062


    Its funny how some people are so against people working from home.

    I say that as someone who has done it since before covid etc.

    Plenty of people wfh in a healthy manner and are very successful in their professions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 295 ✭✭Soc_Alt


    It's funnier how people who worked in the office before Covid believe it's their fundamental right not to have to return to the office now.

    In case they haven't noticed. There are extremely limited wfh roles advertised now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,650 ✭✭✭riddles


    they’ll be happy if they lose people in mid and high cost locations and where replacements are needed they’ll go to low cost countries. If you claim your job can be done fully remote then it’s on the slate for low cost countries.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,809 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    it often does, and most of the real zealots are working alone in my experience.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,809 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    im not really against it, a hybrid set up is good as it gives a bit of flexibility, but its a benefit imo and i would generally support the majority of time being office based.



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