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Enoch Burke turns up to school again despite sacking - read OP before posting

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 283 ✭✭AnnieinDundrum


    The ´back in the day’ line doesn’t really work does it?

    Pupils weren’t protected and they weren’t listened to.

    Why on earth would anyone see that as a standard for anything is beyond me



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,300 ✭✭✭hoodie6029


    ’If you don’t give me a piece of paper telling me I have to do something, then I won’t do it and you can’t make me’. Sounds like a teacher in an Irish school alright. Rules and regulations but no humanity.
    Trans people have been around since the year dot. Refusing to acknowledge them or making laws to criminalise them, as some countries are doing, isn’t going to make them disappear or no longer exist.
    Burke lives on his own planet of black and white, right and wrong, the rest of us are in the real world.

    This is water. Inspiring speech by David Foster Wallace https://youtu.be/DCbGM4mqEVw?si=GS5uDvegp6Er1EOG



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54,406 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Anyone know why/how the Burke family began with the religious stuff? It seems very much over the top for an entire family to go this way. Is there a name on their religion?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72,982 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    The kids came after, I would expect; so its just the two to begin with. They will have indoctrinated the kids.

    They're evangelical, and probably not in communion with anyone else at all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,979 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Burke family background: How Enoch and his family's 'extreme' …

    WEB28 Jan 2023 · Parents of 10 children, Martina and Sean converted to evangelicalism decades ago which has lead to unease among their fellow Christians. This is from the Irish Indo but you might find the article paywall-blocked.

    https://www.bing.com/ck/a?!&&p=41fc0f353c3356deJmltdHM9MTcyNTkyNjQwMCZpZ3VpZD0wNGY1NWYyZi1lNDBjLTYxMDgtMTM3OS00YjlmZTU0MTYwOWUmaW5zaWQ9NTE5NQ&ptn=3&ver=2&hsh=3&fclid=04f55f2f-e40c-6108-1379-4b9fe541609e&psq=Was+the+Burke+family+always+Evangelistic+Christians&u=a1aHR0cHM6Ly9lbi53aWtpcGVkaWEub3JnL3dpa2kvQnVya2VfZmFtaWx5XyhDYXN0bGViYXIp&ntb=1



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54,406 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Thank you for that.

    I've just googled '' evangelism '' It seems to be based on Three E's, - Engagement, Empathy and Explanation. I don;t believe that Enoch was showing much Empathy in his manner of dealings with his superior on pupil.

    https://www.modernreformation.org/resources/articles/the-mod-the-three-es-of-evangelism?gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAjw3P-2BhAEEiwA3yPhwC5MjRQApMJ5Ylo5xk28szNl2fuwCyXoux-2sJqDqJvCIwiMdCRBNRoC2EMQAvD_BwE



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,334 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    AFAIK, a Protestant denomination, like the evangelism in the USA.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,646 ✭✭✭Hamsterchops


    I wonder does Enoch believe in Transubstantiation 🤔



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,009 ✭✭✭Ezeoul


    They refer to themselves simply as Christians.

    I read somewhere in the media a long time ago at the start of all this, (don't ask me where, I can't remember) that Mammy may not be from Ireland originally, it was suggested she was American born, but I have no way of confirming if that is true or not. It could be a complete fabrication and she is as Irish as Guinness.

    But I have wondered about their extended family myself, as they seem to have literally no other family connections. The parents seem to have no siblings / uncles / aunts. If they do, like everything connected to the Burkes, it is kept locked down and very private (which, in fairness, they are entitled to that privacy).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,673 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    If they have family but converted to whatever level of Christianity they are then I’d say it’s reasonable enough to assume other members of the extended family don’t share the their views and certainly don’t want to get too close to any fallout.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,009 ✭✭✭Ezeoul




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,581 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    Well we’ve certainly seen the “engagement” piece time and time again - I’ve seen no “empathy” and their “explanations” rarely make any sense- so I think we can safely say that their version of evangelism is a concentrated form of aggressive “engagement” - and that’s about it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,300 ✭✭✭hoodie6029


    Evangelicals were peaceful and thoughtful in their religion and didn’t force their beliefs on anyone or try to mould society to suit them.
    They were taken over by extremists in the 70’s as they were a huge base of voters to back Nixon and later Reagan and Bush. The decent people left the religion and it became, not far off a cult which has led to Christian Nationalism and MAGA, QAnon (quasi-religions IMO) proliferating today.

    This is water. Inspiring speech by David Foster Wallace https://youtu.be/DCbGM4mqEVw?si=GS5uDvegp6Er1EOG



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,673 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    Not a bit, even if they did share some views they wouldn’t want their lives tainted by that carry on



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,979 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,826 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    I went to a catholic school run by priests. This was in the 80's. The was a guy in my glass with a name that could be used for guys but is mainly used for girls. He asked for everyone to call him by another name on his first day. Everyone did.

    Apparently they would call people by a different name back then. It just had to fit with the churches idea of gender roles.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,673 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    I went to a school that while not run by any order still had religion as a class. There was an older priest there for years and then a young priest came in and he was obviously a bit of a scholar. He told a room full of 15/16 year olds that condoms were not protection against aids. Imagine being that ridiculous and allowed near children. He also claimed that father Ted wasn’t funny but not because of the religious angle it just wasn’t a funny show and he claimed he had no objection to some elements of religion being the butt of the jokes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,080 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    They are all peaceful until they get a sniff of power. Every country with a dominant religion you will find that religion are cnts. Not just the ones people always pinpoint like the Christians and Muslims but the Hindus, Buddhists and all the others we think of as benign are cnts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,890 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,551 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Father-of-two Michael Cleary was peddling that line on the radio for years. The RCC objection to condoms has got nothing to do with their effectiveness or ineffectiveness, it's "Because Pope Paul VI said so".

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,028 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    It's interesting how these stories talk about how students 'just change' their name and gender, as if it's the same as just changing their shoes.

    When in reality, it's a deep, considered decision, generally made after years of difficulty and heartbreak.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,009 ✭✭✭Ezeoul


    I went to a non-denominational secondary school were probably 50% of the students were not Irish (a lot of malaysian and asian students) and nobody knew if their names sounded "right". They just called them by their names!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,646 ✭✭✭Hamsterchops




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,826 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    I remember we had a jesuit for a retreat once and he was probably the most open minded of them all. He stuck to church rules but still allowed a certain amount of leeway.

    My school was run by priests. About 50% of my teachers were priests. Every lesson started with a prayer which is why I can to this day still recite the Hail Mary in French, Latin, Irish and English.

    We'd have multiple retreats a year. There was one done by one of the local parish priests where he said that if we had "problems" with members of the opposite sex, our own sex or with animals we could tell him in confession.

    Our sex and relationships education was a 3 hour session with a young catholic couple. They made sure to tell us that there were three people in every marriage. The man, the woman and God. There was no actual discussion about sex or relationships, just how it was very important to be spiritual and keep religion in the relationship. I remember them telling us about how they met each other at a retreat in glendalough. To be honest, they seemed sweet and very earnest but they'd definitely drunk the kool-aid.

    Youth defense also had session with us.

    And there were the daily religion classes. In which we were told that being gay was unnatural and therefore God hates it. Sex for pleasure was wrong. It should only be for procreation. Masturbation is wrong because it's for pleasure and should only be for procreation (I distinctly remember the phrase "Thou shalt not spill the seed of life"). Condoms interfere with God's plan for creating life and therefore it's preventing life from being created and is akin to killing someone, but at the same time, not as bad as actually killing someone. Trans people were mentioned. the gist was it's against God's plan so it's wrong. Also, interfering with sexual organs was bad, because it prevented you from procreating.

    The amount of **** we were told is ridiculous. It seemed normal in the 90's because it's all I knew. But nowadays it just seems bizarre.

    It's why I'm against religious schools. By all means have religious education outside of school but in school kids should be taught facts. And there will be kids who are gay or bi or trans in school. They shouldn't be told that they're unnatural by a teacher. They shouldn't be told that they're offending god just by existing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 150 ✭✭Tinter Box


    Looks like no one is willing to take Simeon on as their apprentice.

    https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/i-am-deeply-concerned-enoch-burkes-brother-simeon-claims-he-is-being-shut-out-of-barristers-body/a2075421584.html



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,959 ✭✭✭Pentecost


    It's almost like he and his family have demonstrated zero respect for the legal process and have done their best to disrupt it. Most judges were barristers previously, and barristers need a good relationship with judges even just for administrative things like granting adjournments. Antagonising most of the High Court judges isn't a recipe for success.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,311 ✭✭✭lmao10


    As a regular citizen I wouldn't want to see him get in. He supports his brother who can't follow a court order and seems willing to do life in prison over it. Absolutely weird and creepy. The parents failed because the kids are now unemployable. Nobody wants to touch them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,381 ✭✭✭chooseusername


    From the article above:

    "Simeon Burke himself was removed by gardaí from the Court of Appeal in March last year. He was later convicted of a public-order offence, but his conviction was quashed on appeal."

    It won't be on his CV, but every barrister, lawyer, solicitor will know of this family and their shenanigans.

    It's a pity as I'd say he would make a good barrister.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,559 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    It's a pity as I'd say he would make a good barrister.

    Like fúck he would. It would only be a matter of time before he is asked to do something that conflicted with his God bothering and another Burke would be off on a crusade.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,311 ✭✭✭lmao10


    Exactly. They don't seem fit for employment. The taxpayers have had to shell out too much already due to them.



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