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Clontarf to City Centre Cycle & Bus Priority Project discussion (renamed)

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  • #3422
    [Deleted User]
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122625075#Comment_122625075

    The planning geniuses are lashing huge housing developments at the top of the Malahide Road, which is fine, but there doesn't seem to be much by way of additional transport being added. The 15 is routinely crammed by the time it reaches the Artane roundabout.

    There is a huge apartment development under construction in Howth village. What happens the DART service there remains to be seen.

    Covid/wfh has taken some pressure of DART services, pre covid that was absolutely busting at the seams.

    A Luas from city centre out through Fairview and up Malahide Road would seem a sensible option, but it'll never happen.

    Ireland is absolutely appalling at infrastructure planning. And it's not as if we don't have the money to fund proper infrastructure development.



  • #3423
    Beta Ray Bill
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,949 ✭✭✭Beta Ray Bill


    @hans aus dtschl

    I would say "max capacity" is improving but "service levels" are in decline, because the usage increase is outpacing the capacity increase

    As downtheroad mentioned, there are massive high density housing developments happening out towards Malahide and Howth.

    We're approaching a point where people will be unable to board a bus in places like Donnycarney, Killester… Never mind Fairview.



  • #3424
    CatInABox
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122625297#Comment_122625297

    I actually think that most people don't realise that the traffic restrictions are over. The amount of people who are near clueless about these works has been astonishing to me, people didn't know when they were going to begin, what they were, that it was more than just a cycle lane, that the road would be reopened when it finished, etc.

    These were people that I would consider smart too, but they had zero interest in learning anything about this project.



  • #3425
    Thelonious Monk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,448 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    I wonder if a totally jammed malahide road will lead to more ebike usage coming from clare Hall etc.? Especially when bus connects upgrades are completed. I know its not for everyone but any able bodied person would be mad to be relying on buses at rush hour on that route.



  • #3426
    bikeman1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,475 ✭✭✭bikeman1


    Completely rammed DARTs at Clontarf Rd and much further back out is absolutely nothing new. It has been the same for 20 years. Similarly, that is the absolute peak time for buses in the AM, I would be shocked if they were not all completely rammed full too. Again has been the way since long before Covid. Thankfully now, there is a safe alternative by bike.

    There will be two inbound lanes very soon as before, which will double the capacity of the road at that point up to Edges Corner. All that does is increases the amount of single car drivers not going anywhere, but that's what happens when you have people with free parking in the city centre (looking at you civil servants).



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  • #3427
    bikeman1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,475 ✭✭✭bikeman1


    Also, DCC should be mandated to extend the Dublin Bikes out as far as Clontarf Rd. covering all of Fairview and the new bike lanes. Crazy how the shared bike scheme is not part of the development of the C2CC route. Furthermore, I note that the Dublin Bikes depot is behind the wash near Connolly station, so convenient for them. Can be hard to find a Bleeper on that route.



  • #3428
    [Deleted User]
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122625561#Comment_122625561

    BIK on city centre parking is long overdue.

    My wife was previously a single occupancy driver, commuting from D5 to Harolds Cross. In the last year she started making the journey by e-bike and now absolutely loves it (even in "bad" weather). She got herself a good bike, good rain gear, and hasn't looked back. The completion of these cycle works will only stand to her further.

    She previously would have been very nervous to commute by bicycle, so I chaperoned her a few times to test the journey and now she is flying.

    It was the crazy journey times by car that eventually got her onto the saddle.

    Commuters need to be further incentivised/encouraged (dare I say penalised) to make a similar change, and make their journey by bike instead of car as the default option.



  • #3429
    Beta Ray Bill
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,949 ✭✭✭Beta Ray Bill


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122625461#Comment_122625461

    I doubt it, I do believe though we're approaching a tipping point.

    There's been fundamental shift in thinking with Millennials and Gen Z. They won't tolerate that kind of disruption to their lives the way Gen X and Boomers do.

    They'll emigrate or won't work or disobey WFH rules or get a job local.

    Most of them will never own their own place anyway so what's the point in killing yourself in a city centre job with an awful commute.

    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122625561#Comment_122625561

    I remember when it was REALLY bad, but just before covid things had improved a bit. It was busy, but not "I cannot get onboard busy". I remember a time where you couldn't get on at times as far back as Raheny/Harmonstown.



  • #3430
    Thelonious Monk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,448 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    I def used to struggle getting on at harmo 20 years ago when I had my first real job.



  • #3431
    bk
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 23,409 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122625461#Comment_122625461

    Yes, I believe there is a real appetite by many people in Dublin to cycle as long as there is infrastructure to safely do so.

    We see that clearly as each new bike lane opens, this C2CC lane and others, once open lead to a massive increase in the numbers cycling.

    Depending on where you are, it is often faster, certainly more reliable and for much of the year more pleasant. Specially with ebikes, they eliminate many of the previous worries, arriving in work tired and sweaty and difficult hills isn't a problem for ebikes and they are pretty fast too.

    People seem to forget, that back in the 1940's, 50's Dublin was considered the third Cycling Capital of Europe after Amsterdam and Copenhagen, obviously we fell far behind since then as we left cars dominate the city, but start building decent infrastrucutre and I believe we will see Dublin head back in that direction pretty quickly.



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  • #3432
    LXFlyer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,879 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122625075#Comment_122625075

    Bear in mind that the colleges are returning at the moment, and you always have a few weeks with excess loadings getting into town or the colleges for 09:00 before they smooth out a bit as the proper college timetables kick in, and people also adjust their commutes to leave earlier again.



  • #3433
    Podge_irl
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 29,891 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122625431#Comment_122625431

    Not saying it's a positive thing or anything, but 6 or 7 buses used to regularly go past me full in Donnycarney at 8am 20 years ago when I was going to college before one would stop.



  • #3434
    Beta Ray Bill
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,949 ✭✭✭Beta Ray Bill


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122628169#Comment_122628169

    I remember this also.

    Service levels have remained stagnant for 20 years basically… it's always been a "It'll do" attitude



  • #3435
    Los Cafeteros
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61 ✭✭Los Cafeteros


    Might be veering slightly off topic but anyone know what's happening to Greenland cafe? New paintjob- revamp or a new business opening?

    Huge amounts of cyclists passing outbound around 17:30 today. 30-40 in a 5 minute spell.

    PXL_20240918_162309418.jpg


  • #3436
    Citizen Six
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,219 ✭✭✭Citizen Six


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122631058#Comment_122631058

    Still had customers in the other day. So just external revamp I think.



  • #3437
    Frank Bullitt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,182 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122631058#Comment_122631058

    Great little spot that place.



  • #3438
    Thelonious Monk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,448 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    looks like a new paint job and they've written the name of the place much smaller in a trendy font. to be fair it was pretty dated and shabby looking, i've never actually in it. maybe the revamp will entice more customers.



  • #3439
    cgcsb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,074 ✭✭✭✭cgcsb


    Is there a date for this thing to open yet?



  • #3440
    Gloomtastic!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,175 ✭✭✭Gloomtastic!


    It’s meant to be end of September but things seem to have ground to a halt again around Marino Mart.

    I think there are back room discussions going on about that middle lane. It’s not needed.



  • #3441
    Shedite27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,519 ✭✭✭Shedite27


    Bit of a tangent from this cycle route but will interest some…. the Dublin Port Greenway is open

    https://irishcycle.com/2024/09/18/new-greenway-opened-at-dublin-port-with-views-of-clontarf-and-bull-island/



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  • #3442
    Thelonious Monk
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    https://twitter.com/djq/status/1836322651351953701

    I see this from time to time but this appears to be in busy morning time. I think with the sheer amount of cyclists at the busy periods the delivery men will probably usually know not to park int he lane, but some bollards wouldn't go amiss here.



  • #3443
    Pete_Cavan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,427 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    The company operating the van/truck should be hit with a whopper fine. You can be sure they'll instruct their drivers not to obstruct cycle lanes then.



  • #3444
    spurious
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 27,384 CMod ✭✭✭✭spurious


    Lollipop ladies at the crossing (with lights) at the school on North Strand still having to shout at many cyclists who ignore both them and the red lights.

    They don't stand in the road anymore, they stand in the cycle lane to try stop them.

    Utter ignorance from many cyclists, with small children around.



  • #3445
    bk
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 23,409 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122632648#Comment_122632648

    I really should put a gopro on my bike and film the insane dangerous stuff some asshole motorists do on the cycle paths and even paths around my childs school, it is truly shocking.

    Just two days ago I watched a taxi drive along the cycle lane, wrong direction, past the pedestrian crossing and entrance to the school!

    Two weeks ago I watched another taxi pull into and block the cycle lane but also the pedestrian crossing to the school with the lollipop lady right in front of him. The Lollipop lady was steaming!

    It is actually quiet telling that lollipop people are even needed at light controlled pedestrian crossings. Think about that, they are needed because many motorists ignore red lights and blow right through green pedestrian crossings in front of schools!



  • #3446
    hans aus dtschl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,647 ✭✭✭hans aus dtschl


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122628169#Comment_122628169

    That's a shame, seems obviously just under-resourced so, rather than a positive sign of change.



  • #3447
    Citizen Six
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,219 ✭✭✭Citizen Six


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122632189#Comment_122632189

    No, they updated it to October, back in August. And engineers on the project are saying Christmas.



  • #3448
    spurious
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 27,384 CMod ✭✭✭✭spurious


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122632740#Comment_122632740

    I don't care what(aboutery) motorists do. This is about the cycle lanes and pedestrians trying to cross.



  • #3449
    Gloomtastic!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,175 ✭✭✭Gloomtastic!


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122632740#Comment_122632740

    But taxi drivers have, since the foundation of the state, a god-given right to work. Everyone needs to learn this. 🙄



  • #3450
    Citizen Six
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,219 ✭✭✭Citizen Six


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122634150#Comment_122634150

    Yeah, I can imagine it's still quite bad there with cyclists not respecting the lights.



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  • #3451
    bk
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122634150#Comment_122634150

    Well I care, I care about the safety of my child going to school!

    Cars driving up cycle lanes and footpaths that children are cycling/walking to school on and across pedestrian crossings in front of a school is highly dangerous.

    I'm not for a moment defending some idiot cyclist ignoring a pedestrian crossing, feck them too, but you can't ignore how many people are killed every year by cars and how many bollards and Lollipop people have to be used to stop it from being even worse!



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