Deposit return scheme (recycling) - Part 2

#2217 Another ring tender going out.Probably to a buddy in the fabrication trade

You're overcomplicating simply rinsing out a can. A little water in a can, swill around, pour out. Drying not required. Toss in bag. I do it all the time at home and out.

Ok. Carry on.

I was at a "recycling" centre on Friday. I was getting rid of a load of garden waste, car is weighed on the way in, you tell them what you're getting rid of, and you're weighed again on the way out, and then you pay. It cost €10, but that's not the issue.

There was a bit of a queue, there was a skip truck, and a jeep with a trailer full of what I think was household green bin waste. So eventually it's my turn, it's a massive outbuilding and the guy just dumps the lot on the ground. Everything is mixed, and I mean everything. There's no separation, I thought there would be designated areas for general waste, green bin and brown bin waste. Then a guy came along on a front loader and scoops it into a huge pile containing every imaginable kind of waste.

So I'm wondering what happens to all of this rubbish? Is it incinerated? Outside I can see there's a pile of waste metal, so they must separate that at least. But apart from that, I was just thinking we're being put through this massive inconvenience with DRS, meanwhile there's places there's places like this right throughout the country. Am I missing something?

I see the odd person on the streets of Dublin with a black bag picking up discarded cans and bottles to make a few quid. That's the biggest positive for me

18 packs of 330 ml cans of Diet Coke are available for €14 in Dunnes until 18 September. And Tesco with a Club Card until 01 October. Plus deposits of course.

Probably means there's another scam on the way for all them. Then once all rubbish is covered, the streets should be sparkly clean....

So still 50% than the same cans going north. Ignoring that rhe 18 pack seems to be for Ireland only as you can still get 24 packs in the North. For £7. Although they seem to be trying to roll out the 18 pack there too.

We'll also ignore that the price difference between the regular coke and the sugar free versions are too close for the sugar tax to be accounted for properly. So we're either underpaying the regular coke (we're not) or the sugar free is priced higher than it should be. CCPC don't seem to care about that even though I brought it to their attention.

Actually, what do the ccpc do? Because as far as I can tell they just watch prices increase and say nothing.

Oh, you're right, the special offer was €10, sometimes €8. Standard price was €12. But it went on offer at least once a month. Now, it was about 2 months or more ago when they were last on sale for €10, €14 is the new special data collection price (in Tesco) but even that is not around very often anymore. €17 is the standard price now. So €5 increase in 4 years on top of a 25% volume reduction.

So for reference, in 2020 the standard price of 24 diet coke was €12, often on special for €10 and sometimes on special for €8. Breaking that down:

€12 - 50c a can

€10 - 42c a can

€8 - 33c a can

Now, its standard €17 for 18, sometimes of offer for €14, and rarely get the €10 offer anymore. Breaking that down:

€17 - €1.05 a can

€14 - 77c a can

€10 - 55c a can

So even the cheapest offer now is more expensive than the most expensive offer back then. CPI don't track that?

I've also heard that per can it costs Coca-Cola 10-20c, up from the 1c to 5c I read years ago.

I see those disposable cups and lids dumped everywhere. They're a way bigger scourge than cans and plastic bottles. And realistically, how often do you see discarded 2 litre plastic bottles? Sure you see the odd one, but not many.

Where I am, the 2 litre are probably as common, in proportion to the number of them on sale compared to smaller ones. But it is a bit of a futile exercise using just what you and I are seeing. I noticed a few 5 litre ones as well.

Have a look at the plans in the Circular Economy legislation for coffee cups and much more. I expect if and when those measures come in, it will provoke an almighty Irexit type reaction. About "Brussels" forcing us into Nanny Statism.

The only things Brussels is forcing on us are targets. The "reaction" will be against whatever money grubbing solution our lads come up with for disposable cups and lids. Similar to how it is now with Re-Turn.

It really is tiresome reading this fabrication again that everything is being forced on us by the EU. So for the umpteenth time. Our gombeens put Re-Turn together. Not the EU.

"And only those who choose not to get their refunds are losing out."

That's BS. People at airports aren't choosing not to get their refunds. DRS machines swallowing empties without giving credit isn't people choosing not to get their refunds. People bringing minerals to sick people in hospital aren't choosing not to get their refunds. I've listed numerous other examples before.

That's not to mention the needlessly created hassle and nuisance of bringing empties back to shops, when there was a perfectly viable option working before of putting them in their green bin at home, at work, etc. Or having to come back again, when the DRS machine is inevitably out of order.

One man's trash is another man's treasure. This is nothing more than another environmentalist scam. Someone is making big money out of this.

But our Minister said,

"One of the big learnings that we took away from our examination of the Deposit Return Schemes in other countries was that everyone in the Deposit Return Scheme chain has to be paid for their work." Yeah right! So I pay the deposit, clean the cans, store the cans, sort the cans, and bring them to a machine hoping it is working. Where's my fooking payment?

And in the meantime, I pay an increased rate since DRS for kerbside waste collection including a recycling bin which used to take these recyclables!