#2217 Another ring tender going out.Probably to a buddy in the fabrication trade
My latest conundrum.
I buy lots of diet coke. It's all I drink. It's 99% water and I'm (certified) the healthiest I've been in my life. I assume it's because I don't drink anymore. Anyway, that's that. It's why I'm so sure of the greeflation in diet coke. €10/24 cans 4 years ago. Now it's €17/18 cans. The same factory packages rhe 24 cans still for the North, to be sold at under €10/24 cans. Anyway...
I no longer wfh, have a normal job. 12 hour shifts in a building. Monitoring, so in the same room for 12 hours. I go through approximately 6 cans (including lunch) per day working. So that's 6 cans that have to come home with me. Now, here's the conundrum, bringing home the cans. I can:
First 2 result in wasted water, which were supposed to be not wasting. Third one possibly contaminates the cans for the recycling process (if they actually get recycled) but also unnecessarily using another product. So even if I get the deposit back, I'm doing more damage to the environment and losing money as a result. Great scheme, really!
You're overcomplicating simply rinsing out a can. A little water in a can, swill around, pour out. Drying not required. Toss in bag. I do it all the time at home and out.
Am I though? 42+ cans a week for 52 weeks, a small bit of water adds up... and if you don't use enough you still end up washing the bag because you didn't completely clean out the sticky coke residue... its supposed to be better than just putting them straight into my blue recycling bin without any washing!
Ok. Carry on.
Have you reached out to the RTE genepooler to see if she has a hack for that.
I was at a "recycling" centre on Friday. I was getting rid of a load of garden waste, car is weighed on the way in, you tell them what you're getting rid of, and you're weighed again on the way out, and then you pay. It cost €10, but that's not the issue.
There was a bit of a queue, there was a skip truck, and a jeep with a trailer full of what I think was household green bin waste. So eventually it's my turn, it's a massive outbuilding and the guy just dumps the lot on the ground. Everything is mixed, and I mean everything. There's no separation, I thought there would be designated areas for general waste, green bin and brown bin waste. Then a guy came along on a front loader and scoops it into a huge pile containing every imaginable kind of waste.
So I'm wondering what happens to all of this rubbish? Is it incinerated? Outside I can see there's a pile of waste metal, so they must separate that at least. But apart from that, I was just thinking we're being put through this massive inconvenience with DRS, meanwhile there's places there's places like this right throughout the country. Am I missing something?
I think they have a machine that sort through the rubbish. Any obvious recycling materials like plastic and paper shouldn't be getting dumped in there though
I see the odd person on the streets of Dublin with a black bag picking up discarded cans and bottles to make a few quid. That's the biggest positive for me
Are they picking up all rubbish, or just the ones that'll make them money?
18 packs of 330 ml cans of Diet Coke are available for €14 in Dunnes until 18 September. And Tesco with a Club Card until 01 October. Plus deposits of course.
Exactly. All of a sudden "green" warriors are cheering that some plastic bottles might get recycled but not a word on disposable coffee cups, pizza boxes, sandwich wraps etc scattered along every hedge from Malin to Mizen.
Probably means there's another scam on the way for all them. Then once all rubbish is covered, the streets should be sparkly clean....
Lidl are advertising a little bin... 7e …perfect for storing Return items.
Lidl how about getting your machines to work reliably?
So still 50% than the same cans going north. Ignoring that rhe 18 pack seems to be for Ireland only as you can still get 24 packs in the North. For £7. Although they seem to be trying to roll out the 18 pack there too.
We'll also ignore that the price difference between the regular coke and the sugar free versions are too close for the sugar tax to be accounted for properly. So we're either underpaying the regular coke (we're not) or the sugar free is priced higher than it should be. CCPC don't seem to care about that even though I brought it to their attention.
Actually, what do the ccpc do? Because as far as I can tell they just watch prices increase and say nothing.
I took a look at the CPI for Soft Drinks going back the four years. Your Diet Coke increase is way way above the overall category. Although the category did increase by 11.1% in 2022 and 10.1% in 2023, before DRS.
How confident are you of your recollection of the €10 for 24 four years ago being correct. And might it have been a limited time offer like the €14 for 18 now? For a fair comparison.
Oh, you're right, the special offer was €10, sometimes €8. Standard price was €12. But it went on offer at least once a month. Now, it was about 2 months or more ago when they were last on sale for €10, €14 is the new special data collection price (in Tesco) but even that is not around very often anymore. €17 is the standard price now. So €5 increase in 4 years on top of a 25% volume reduction.
So for reference, in 2020 the standard price of 24 diet coke was €12, often on special for €10 and sometimes on special for €8. Breaking that down:
€12 - 50c a can
€10 - 42c a can
€8 - 33c a can
Now, its standard €17 for 18, sometimes of offer for €14, and rarely get the €10 offer anymore. Breaking that down:
€17 - €1.05 a can
€14 - 77c a can
€10 - 55c a can
So even the cheapest offer now is more expensive than the most expensive offer back then. CPI don't track that?
I've also heard that per can it costs Coca-Cola 10-20c, up from the 1c to 5c I read years ago.
Have a look at Clause 11 onwards, Environmental Levy, and Prohibition of certain one use containers. That levy on the suppliers if it comes in will have to be passed on to customers. Expect howls of protest from all sorts of warriors.
https://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2022/act/26/enacted/en/print.html
I see those disposable cups and lids dumped everywhere. They're a way bigger scourge than cans and plastic bottles. And realistically, how often do you see discarded 2 litre plastic bottles? Sure you see the odd one, but not many.
Absolutely. I have done weekly litter picks for years and plastic bottles of any size were always a small percentage of what I picked up. Cans were slightly more numerous but coffees cups, lids and general takeaway detritus plus deli packaging were, and still are, the big offenders.
Where I am, the 2 litre are probably as common, in proportion to the number of them on sale compared to smaller ones. But it is a bit of a futile exercise using just what you and I are seeing. I noticed a few 5 litre ones as well.
Have a look at the plans in the Circular Economy legislation for coffee cups and much more. I expect if and when those measures come in, it will provoke an almighty Irexit type reaction. About "Brussels" forcing us into Nanny Statism.
Like yourself many environmental groups have been involved in anti litter campaigns for years.
There is literally nobody who cares for the environment ignoring litter.
The people to blame are the ones who dumped the litter.
https://www.voiceireland.org/workshops/picker-pals
https://www.coastwatch.org/micro-litter-survey
https://www.irishexaminer.com/lifestyle/people/arid-40842389.html
The only things Brussels is forcing on us are targets. The "reaction" will be against whatever money grubbing solution our lads come up with for disposable cups and lids. Similar to how it is now with Re-Turn.
It really is tiresome reading this fabrication again that everything is being forced on us by the EU. So for the umpteenth time. Our gombeens put Re-Turn together. Not the EU.
It is all coming from the 2018 EU Directive, and previous ones. Obviously as agreed among all member States. The Polluter Pays principle means that our DRS is not costing our taxpayers anything. And only those who choose not to get their refunds are losing out.
https://repak.ie/driving-change/circular-economy-eu-legislation/eu-plastics-strategy-and-sup-directive/
"And only those who choose not to get their refunds are losing out."
That's BS. People at airports aren't choosing not to get their refunds. DRS machines swallowing empties without giving credit isn't people choosing not to get their refunds. People bringing minerals to sick people in hospital aren't choosing not to get their refunds. I've listed numerous other examples before.
That's not to mention the needlessly created hassle and nuisance of bringing empties back to shops, when there was a perfectly viable option working before of putting them in their green bin at home, at work, etc. Or having to come back again, when the DRS machine is inevitably out of order.
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Plus, there are plenty of people who for various physical reasons cannot get to a DRS machine and there have been numerous examples provided on this thread already. It's thoroughly disingenuous to a, frankly, staggering level to cast out such a spoof suggesting that "only those who choose not to get their refunds are losing out".
One man's trash is another man's treasure. This is nothing more than another environmentalist scam. Someone is making big money out of this.
Show us where the EU Directive states customers in member states must go into shops to get deposits back with no option of IBAN refund.
But our Minister said,
"One of the big learnings that we took away from our examination of the Deposit Return Schemes in other countries was that everyone in the Deposit Return Scheme chain has to be paid for their work." Yeah right! So I pay the deposit, clean the cans, store the cans, sort the cans, and bring them to a machine hoping it is working. Where's my fooking payment?
And in the meantime, I pay an increased rate since DRS for kerbside waste collection including a recycling bin which used to take these recyclables!
This green warrior would be 100% in favour of banning take away coffee cups altogether. Think some town in kerry did it already.
