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Ireland v Greece 10.09.2024 Match Thread - UEFA Nations League

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,769 ✭✭✭Xander10




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,076 ✭✭✭✭pgj2015




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,692 ✭✭✭AllGunsBlazing


    As long as that lay off isn't the start of a persistent injury problem I wouldn't worry about Ferguson. There were red flags to be found on Connolly's social media almost from the get go.



  • Site Banned Posts: 1,012 ✭✭✭Zico !


    Not only are the players poor we now have a manager who brings nothing to the party-interest level among the public is zero watch the crowds fall .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,232 ✭✭✭ebbsy


    The way we are going we won't be at Euro 2028……………



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,076 ✭✭✭✭pgj2015


    I reckon Connolly will be playing LOI soon enough.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,692 ✭✭✭AllGunsBlazing


    Is he even a professional footballer anymore?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,076 ✭✭✭✭pgj2015


    No club at the moment, Celtic was mentioned lately but more like the Tallaght hoops he will be playing for.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,702 ✭✭✭ittakestwo


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 750 ✭✭✭athlone99


    Jesus Christ..... so my big take away is more posh people and you'd go to the LOI?? Rather have real fans than people like you who talk absolute waffle.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,680 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    not correct. The ‘Big Two’ in Belfast are not “one for the nationlists and one for the unionists ( got to play that riverly off another)”, as you claim. They are both in very unionist areas but certainly have players from both communities.
    the episode in Aviva the other day demonstrated the problems with an all island league. That was the anthem held dear by most teams in ni that was widely disrespected. So some work to do first.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,898 ✭✭✭✭fullstop


    I dunno, starting to wonder is there something more going on at this stage. Brighton wouldn’t have released him unless he was fit (albeit lacking match sharpness). There’s been a marked change in him since his last goal (v Forest I think) and he has gone from being very involved in build-up play and very good on the ball to hardly touching the ball in games and he seems to be giving it away a lot cheaper. Hopefully it’s just a confidence thing and he’ll find his mojo again, but it’s concerning. I said on the PL thread on the first day of the season that he’d do well to get back in the Brighton side and the way things stand I can’t see him getting much more than 15 or 20 min cameos for the foreseeable….just hope it doesn’t turn out like another former Brighton striker.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,456 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    I think Ferguson was bring hyped up beyond belief for a while, and then a dip in form, coupled with injuries, have hampered his career of late.

    You have to remember he hadn't played a competitive game since March 31st before these 2 Ireland games. He is very rusty, and add being put into a team that is generally terrible, and you wondered expect him to shine.

    He will regain match fitness hopefully and get back to playing and scoring in the EPL, bur I can understand the concerns. There was talk of the top EPL team buying him for big money a year back, but if he is hindered by reoccurring injuries it could really damage his career. He needs to be a regular starter for Brighton to begin with.

    Let's hope he's not another young player showing signs of burn out at an early age, a la Ansu Fati and the like. He's been playing top level football since he was 15, and often when you are playing like that, you can pick up injuries.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,692 ✭✭✭AllGunsBlazing


    Having to fight his way back into the Brighton team won't do him any harm. Quite the opposite - a character building exercise. If he's good enough then it stands to reason that he'll be fine.

    If there was an underlying injury concern would Brighton have let him go? They seem happy for him to get minutes under his belt. In all honesty I think we should have brought on someone else and let his club do the job of bringing him up to speed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,702 ✭✭✭ittakestwo


    It was a proposal to shake up the leagues. dublin could have two "big" sides and play the north south dublin riverlry while belfast could also have two to do an east west riverly there. That would be 4 sides. Then another 6 scattered around Ireland. Atm Dublin has too many small clubs for it to ever really have a big side that could get into the champions league regularly.

    Btw the booing at english game was amied at the english for the way thier fans carry on rather than the lyrics of an antem. Scotland or wales would not get booed if GSTK was played at the Aviva. People up north are not English so they dont need to worry about that. Anyway anthems are not played before league matchs anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,456 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Do teams not still have to release players to be assessed by their country's physios if claiming not to be fit?

    I thought this was introduced to stop club teams saying X was injured and couldn't play this international match, yet they miraculously recovered for the next league game.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,352 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    I think that was moreso for AFCON where players would be injured until after the tournament started and then recovered to play for their club WHILE AFCON was being held. If they were injured for AFCON they were to be unavailable until the end of AFCON. I dont think it comes into it for international breaks with no league fixtures.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 18,724 Mod ✭✭✭✭DM_7


    I think Ferguson is out since late March, was not fit for preseason and not back by the start of he season. Don't think he has played other than minutes for Ireland.

    The BBC reported some interesting comments from Alan Browne on Ireland and Ferguson. It is not good that the team are expecting individuals to step up and do something for them or that they are already looking at Evan (probably explains why he was played):

    "We probably don't have that presence, that Premier League quality player that stands out a mile from the rest like you might have had in years gone by."

    "Boys are playing in the Premier League and doing quite well, but we don't have that world-class figure that everyone looks at and thinks he is going to win us the game."

    "I know Evan [Ferguson] has obviously got a bright future, but it is a lot to put on his shoulders, being so young and he hasn't played a lot of football."

    Browne, who has won 37 caps for his country, disputed the notion the Republic of Ireland do not have leaders in the group, instead pointing to their lack of quality in the final third as a greater factor in their losing streak.

    "I think there are quite a lot of leaders in there," said the 29-year-old.

    "There are quite a lot of players who have captained their club or captained their country, so you are probably just missing that presence rather than leadership."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,340 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    Browne is bound to say that though isn't he? There are different kind of captains. Ireland need a vocal one that is not afraid to shout organise and cajole. Bar Coleman who is there beyond that?

    They have such timid temperaments from what I see. Types who you like your daughter to marry.

    Badly need to change that and increase the intensity of play for a start. It is the only way this group can get results.

    HH is probably wondering what he got himself in for. He has inherited a broken team with broken boys not men.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,076 ✭✭✭✭pgj2015


    Have You ever seen Conor McCormack playing for galway united, that's the kind of character Ireland need, someone who will let his teammates know if they aren't pulling their weight.

    Ireland definitely don't have someone like that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,643 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    The second half was bitterly disappointing, and you can't get away from the reality in the stands - people are clearly fed up. Another clear loss to Greece was hard to take.

    Personally I think I've seen enough of Molumby and Knight at this point to know they aren't good enough to be part of a team winning matches at this level. They aren't good enough technically to take control of the ball and make things happen - but similarly they tend to be very easy for opponents to play through.

    I think the first half was something to build on, and Sammie Szmodics was a bright spot.

    But you look at Collins struggling and Ferguson so miserably off the pace and you are left deflated - it seems any player we have been excited about over the past half decade has had the wheels come off their career. We are bitterly short of technical quality, so I think a consideration should be made of reaching much deeper into the pool and giving players a chance. Or considering Collins in midfield maybe.

    We MUST become more difficult to play through, it is an absolute necessity.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,029 ✭✭✭orangerhyme


    It's a good idea in theory but not in practice.

    Irish clubs are over a hundred years old and they're not going to just dissolve overnight.

    An all Ireland league and team is worth trying I think.

    Another good idea is the Irish leagues join up with Scotland for a "Celtic league".

    The Scottish clubs would be miles ahead initially but I think we'd catch up eventually.

    We'd have a proper TV deal and a huge increase in revenue and attendances.



  • Posts: 19,923 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I was actually impressed with Molumby over both games. Smallbone was disappointing I thought despite somehow getting the POM against Greece.

    Fully agreed on the people being fed up. I don't understand how with 3 CBs and 3 CMs (4 I guess if you include Knight in there) there were none finding space for a pass and they always had to go wide from Collins picking it up at CB. Probably a limitation of the wing backs and a narrow system.

    It's hard to pinpoint the one thing. I don't think we are truly awful at any one aspect but we are not good at anything either. It's just going through the motions. A deference as shown by the captain backing off when the opposition striker gets the ball at the edge of the box.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,643 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    How was Molumby impressive? From my vantage point he was painfully lightweight and we are avoiding playing through him. So what are you left with?

    He is definitely trying, I'll say that. He's the definition of honest, but I just don't see him at this level.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,029 ✭✭✭orangerhyme


    We lack patterns of play to progress the ball up the pitch. It's like developing your pieces in chess. It's very important as you can't play direct all the time.

    I'm not sure if HH can coach that. His CV isn't that impressive. I'd have gone for Big Sam.

    We've a decent group of players but lacking full backs, pace (besides Ogbene), a goalscorer and a creative AM/no 10.

    So we're missing a lot so have to work with what we got.



  • Posts: 19,923 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Maybe it is more the trying but I thought when he did get on the ball he was the tidiest of the midfielders from a very low bar and got back brilliantly once or twice against England when they were caught on the break.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,513 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    Will you stop.

    Anyone who is not already interested in going to Bray Wanders will not get interested just because they are now also playing Crusaders or Cowdenbeath as well as Cobh Ramblers or Cork City.

    The league needs to make sure that the teams already there can survive and possibly grow their numbers, improve their facilities etc.

    English and European soccer will always draw the greatest interest and will always dominate, but there is a place for the LOI, it's just up to the LOI to make sure they are sustainable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,979 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    Yeah, would definitely agree with your take on Molumby alright… thought he got himself a lot more involved than Smallbone and Knight, who were both really disappointing both in and out of possession across the two games I think. In an ideal world we'd be able to bring in a whole new midfield, but we have to work with what we have, and Molumby is the one from that trio I'd be keeping in there. Cullen comes straight in as well. From there… we can all only hope that Bosun Lawal has a big season in the Chapionship this year!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,076 ✭✭✭✭pgj2015


    I thought Smallbone did well against Greece, some nice creative passes from him, he made the passes then his teammates messed up the move. It was through Smallbone I actually saw a glimpse of what HH was trying.



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