Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

An expectation is miles different to a requirement.

You are clutching at straws here.

You could just admit that you were wrong and asylum seekers are not required to provide identification.

In order to be accepted into the 1st safe country country, they would have either need documentation or would have to claim asylum to gain entry no?

If they have claimed asylum in a different country, we have a right to send them back there. If they previously had documentation, where did it go?

And please, let's lay off the "anti-immigration" brigade nonsense. It's illegal immigration and bogus asylum seekers brigade.

Legal immigration and genuine asylum seekers are not the issue.

Not sure why you are bringing up the sexual exploitation of children. That's horrific alright, but still has very little as to why we should accept bogus asylum seekers or illegal immigrants.

I don't know what you're talking about with this '1st safe country' stuff.

It's a myth.

https://fullfact.org/immigration/refugees-first-safe-country/

I think that poster is correct to say there are requirements on IPAs to provide documentation.

But where it is reasonable for them not to have so, it is provided.

https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/moving-country/asylum-seekers-and-refugees/the-asylum-process-in-ireland/rights-and-obligations-of-asylum-seekers-in-ireland/

I can understand that some countries people maybe unable to get documentation or whatever to leave that country due to war or whatever but then my question is how do those people get from wherever it is to here crossing through multiple countries without any documentation. We are an island on the edge of Europe, we are not exactly within walking distance of these countries? So explain that, are they walking here, obtaining false documentation or are they being trafficked here?

I would imagine a lot are obtaining false documents from the traffickers, but that is just an opinion.

So you and others on here support people trafficking?

It seems a lot of pages have been removed from the thread.

Is it because it's emerged that these videos of people following IPAs around are in fact illegal?

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41472649.html

Tourism down 50% this year just announced.

Lack of hotels accommodation listed as one of the main reasons.

Yes. It has already been explained to you. It is a requirement to identify yourself. You obviously need documentation to do this. There is an exception where, if a person genuinely does not have documentation, or travels of false documentation, then they are actually allowed to travel and arrive but they have to present themselves on arrival.

The fact that it is a requirement then puts these people into an "exception" category. If it were not a requirement then they would be just considered the same as everyone else. They still have to be processed and given the benefit of the doubt, but their application should obviously be subject to more scrutiny. Obviously the issue is that some, who know that their actual documentation would result in their swift denial, might destroy it to prolong their processing. The latter are taking advantage of the fact that in order to distinguish them, they have to be processed in the first place.

The solution is to have a lot more specialists who can process those presenting without ID much faster. Have a different track for them. And also prosecute more of them who deliberately destroy their ID to frustrate the system. But you need that exception if you have an asylum process. The presence of an exception in terms of initially presenting without documentation does not mean it is not a requirement.

That exception is the loophole and means that it is absolutely NOT a requirement to claim asylum. Anybody can destroy their documentation and claim asylum.

It's not an exception. It simply means that if you do have documentation, you might get dealt with faster. If you don't, it may take longer. It is not a requirement.

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It's a requirement that every reasonable effort is made to provide documentation.

Obviously there has to be exemptions for cases where a person cannot provide documentation.

People used to give out about "mask requirements" for Covid. None of them realised that they weren't requirements at all. The reason being that there was a "loophole" where you didn't have to obey them if you had a reason such as a medical condition. Not only that, some chancers would pretend they had those conditions, even though they had no medical certifications.

But at least we now know they weren't "requirements".

The serious answer is that they will need to prove their identity for processing to complete. You are confusing the exception allowing them to enter without documents with the processing. The exception only allows them to get into the beginning of the process.

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