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Obesity as a Disease - Medication

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 343 ✭✭LastApacheInjun


    Hello all.

    I seem to have finally broken my plateau. I've been cycling between 186 and 188 over the past four weeks, but this morning the scales popped up at 184.2lbs. So that's 21lbs lost over the past 15 weeks.

    Side effects wise, not much change. I'm afraid I still get diarrhoea at least two days a week, though it seems to be getting less severe over the past two weeks. I'm taking a teaspoon of psyllium husks every day, and have now added a chewable fibre supplement. I don't know whether it's the supplements, or whether it's my body getting used to the medication but I'm hoping the side effects continue on a downward trajectory.

    The medication is still making me fuller quicker. I'm definitely feeling more hungry than in the first six weeks, but still not the kind of hunger I used to experience pre-Ozempic. Cravings for sweet food are definitely back, most unfortunately. I'm not tracking calories, but my feeling is that I'm eating less of the sweet food as I need less of it to trigger the "enough" feeling.

    One thing I have done, despite all my protestations on exercise above, is join a gym. The membership doesn't start until September (as they are refurbing their swimming pool and that's half the reason I want to join) but I feel like I have a bit more energy and time at the moment, which I could dedicate to some exercise. My husband has also joined and is enthusiastic about joining me. I'm also going to sign up my 12 year old daughter, once we have gotten into a routine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,865 ✭✭✭ECO_Mental


    Just a quick update took my first 1mg hit on Sunday after going through the last two months taking the 0.25 and the 0.5…. and boy oh boy does the 1mg hit different … 😋 my young fella was 21 yesterday and we had a big party at home, pizza, wings, cake etc etc normally I would make a pig of myself but I had no appetite at all. I had one small slice of pizza one sandwich and one wing no cake or nothing…it was amazing I had no desire just felt kinda full almost felt sorry for not getting into the party spirit…

    I have lost nothing on the lower doses and I was getting a bit disillusioned with it, but there is a big difference between the lower and the full dose and its giving me hope. Don't feel nauseous or any of the other well known side effects, just a slight full feeling.

    Going on hoildays this weekend for a week so it might be a boring holiday 😎

    6.1kWp south facing, South of Cork City



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 80 ✭✭sunshine2018


    What is the current supply like for starter dose of ozempic does anyone know ? I had an appointment booked in the summer to see a specialist weight medication clinic doctor but I called about 20 chemists beforehand and they had no supply ! So I cancelled my appointment but have another one coming up soon. I’m worried I’ll get the prescription but not be able to source it anywhere



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 118 ✭✭LJ3103


    With the silly season around the corner has anyone lowered their saxenda dosage for a couple of days ahead of a night out? I am thinking I might have less side effects if I am on a slightly lower dosage. Thinking of dropping from 3mg to 2.4mg a couple of days before the night out and then back up to 3mg two nights after being out for food and drinks.

    Thanks



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,450 ✭✭✭Cill94


    Recently discussed ozempic and the current science on obesity management with registered dietician Josh Percival



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    I heard this crowd mentioned on Brendan O'Connor over the weekend. Is there any point in considering something like this when pharmacies can't get supply, especially of lower doses?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,490 ✭✭✭✭fits


    I’d say it’s worth a try. I looked into it last year and it seemed pretty good. Evidence based approach.

    My bmi was only 27 though and I got it down to 24 fairly easily just by tweaking how I eat. Scale hasn’t budged in 6 months now and that’s ok. That beyond bmi is expensive enough.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,318 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Curious they dont mention what drugs they are prescribing. it is hardly a state secret



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,490 ✭✭✭✭fits


    they don’t always prescribe. It’s lead by Carl le roux who’s a prof in UCD.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 343 ✭✭LastApacheInjun


    Under Irish legislation, you cannot advertise prescription drugs. That's why none of the Irish weight loss clinics/GPs will mention Ozempic/Saxenda on their websites.



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    The question is whether they can provide the drugs, given that most pharmacies are having difficulties with this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 343 ✭✭LastApacheInjun


    Well yes, that's true. I don't know what the shortages are like at the moment. It certainly seems fine to get the 1mg dose at the moment, but I did hear something about difficulties in getting the 0.25mg starting dose. The good thing about that I suppose is that you might have to wait a month or two before taking your first dose, as supply comes in, but then you only take it for the first month and then move on to the other doses that are less in short supply? Also, for Ozempic, the 0.25mg starter pen has eight weeks rather than four weeks of doses in it, so even if the 0.5mg pen was delayed, you could continue to take the 0.25mg dose for a few more weeks to tide you over.

    It certainly seems to be a bit haphazard regarding different pharmacies having supply. My own pharmacy has never had an issue, but it appears smaller non-chain pharmacies down the country have much more difficultly.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I thought it was the lower doses that had supply issues. They can get the 1.0mg pen, and use it to give lower doses in the first two months.
    What's the story though with needles? The 1.0mg pen comes with four needles, but if you're giving lower does, it could last up to six weeks - so do you just not change the needles every time?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 343 ✭✭LastApacheInjun


    I just popped back in to give another update.


    I have maintained a 10% weight loss for the past six months, while sticking - for the most part - to 0.8mg of Ozempic a week. While I was happy with the weight loss and the fact that I no longer had side effects, I decided, before Christmas to titrate up to the full 1mg dose to see if it helped with losing a few more pounds. Unfortunately all it did was increase the side effects. Titrating back down to the 0.8mg dose helped, but recently I’ve experienced an increase in side effects even at the 0.8mg dose.

    I should say this was all done in conjunction with my GP. I haven’t been making titration decisions by myself.

    I know if I continue on the 0.8mg dose the side effects will likely disappear. However, I have decided to explore the option to move to Mounjaro. I believe it will be available in Ireland in the next few weeks (if it isn’t already). I have an appointment with my GP in two weeks, and I’ll update here if I do decide to move products, and how that all goes.



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    When you say titrate up and down, are you talking about varying the number of clicks on the pen?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,318 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    I missed this post first time around. With regards to extra needles your pharmacist can supply a box of the needles alone. The needles are single use only. You should never reuse them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 343 ✭✭LastApacheInjun


    Correct.


    You can buy a box of similar disposable needles on Amazon- I think I paid €8 for a box of 100.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 76 ✭✭lenan


    Being pricing mounjaro, the price is out of my price range.

    I might have to try saxendra as GP is refusing to give me a script for Ozempic due to shortage.

    Anyone tried Saxendra?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Check with your local pharmacies, who would have more current information than the GP on availability. My GP was persuaded by an email from the pharmacy noting that the standard dose was generally available.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 343 ✭✭LastApacheInjun


    Mounjaro in the South is expensive enough €215 for the starter dose, and I believe up to €295 for the top dose. Similar pricing to Saxenda if you’re not getting that through the drug payment scheme.

    I’m going to get mine in the North. Corrys Chemist deliver to the south and the starting dose there is £150 with the top dose being £195. I’m on 1mg of Ozempic, so my GP suggested I move to the 7.5mg dose of Mounjaro. I’m going to buy the top dose - 15mg - for £195, and count the clicks for the 7.5mg dose. That means the initial couple of months should cost £97 or €116. When I move up to the 10mg, it should cost £130 or €156 - similar to what I pay for Ozempic now. I’m hoping I won’t need more than the 10mg dose to get a good result.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 76 ✭✭lenan


    Thanks Andrew, I might try that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 76 ✭✭lenan


    I was quoted e389, for 2nd dose. Will give GP another go for Ozempic if no luck. Try mounjaro up the north.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 772 ✭✭✭glen123


    Do you just get a paper prescription from GP and send it to the pharmacy in the North? Pricing sounds very reasonable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 343 ✭✭LastApacheInjun




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3 unigoony


    I’m using mybmi.ie Their website is easy to use and offers a very efficient service with next day delivery of well packaged pen through DPD. You have to have a consultation every month but it still works out a lot cheaper than ROI at €253 (including consultation +  any strength pen) If you want €20 off your initial consultation, use 99296Cian20free



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,318 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    What do you mean by ROI? No idea of the private cost of ozempic or wegovy but the HSE reimburses pharmacies 95.86 for my ozempic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 76 ✭✭lenan




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 343 ✭✭LastApacheInjun


    The private cost of ozempic is €145-€160 per month, depending on the pharmacy. It seems to be similarly priced both North and South of the border.

    Wegovy has not been launched in the Republic of Ireland by Novo Nordisk, so I've no idea what pharmacies in the South would charge.

    Mounjaro is about €220 for the starting dose and up to €280 for the top dose in Irish pharmacies. I assume, if you are diabetic, you can get Mounjaro through the Long Term Illness scheme and the HSE will refund pharmacies accordingly (though probably at a way cheaper price than what obesity patients pay for it privately).

    Mounjaro is cheaper in the North. My GP in Dublin posts the prescription to a pharmacy in Castlederg, and I pay €170 for the starter dose, and the top dose will cost about €220, which includes the DPD delivery fee. Still expensive, but cheaper than pharmacies here. MyBMI seems to be a half way point between the two price points, and I suppose is good value if you think you need a consultation with a doctor every month. I wouldn't see the benefit in that personally, having been on Ozempic for a year. It's certainly helpful to check in maybe three months after you start, but after that - unless you have a need for a consultation - there's no need for more regular check ins.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,837 ✭✭✭sprucemoose


    was on saxenda from july until last month, overall very happy with results and it definitely helped with turning off/minimising the 'food noise'. had started to plateau a bit so im now trying WeGovy due to moving to different insurance coverage and it working out cheaper, but i definitely would have been happy staying with saxenda too



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,659 ✭✭✭Padraig Mor


    Mounjaro is a lot more expensive than that in Ireland! Healthwave (who I've heard suggested as being relatively cheap) are €280 for the lowest and €475 for 7.5! (Which is the highest dose available here so far). Much cheaper in the North. Not available here on the long term illness scheme, even for diabetics I think?

    (Anyone thinking of My BMI - feel free to PM for a €20 referral code - I'm not going to spam the thread as above).



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