BVD problem

System · 08-09-2024 03:01PM #1

This discussion was created from comments split from: No quitten we're whelan on to chitchat 11.

Lime Tree Farm · 08-09-2024 03:09PM

Could there be different labs involved here, think back to Hep C and Cervical Smear testing labs scandals.

Anto_Meath · 08-09-2024 05:18PM

There is no re-testing of an animal allowed now; if an animal has a positive ear sample now it"s destroyed.. well that what I was told in 2023.

893bet · 08-09-2024 05:34PM

very hard to prove at this point. Fiddle in everything.

jaymla627 · 08-09-2024 06:20PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122595127#Comment_122595127

The originally bought-in calf must of went in-calf and was a pi i reckon, and infected naive cows in the herd when they where in-calf…

Obviously when the herd had a break-down this cow was identified as a p.i bvd animal, the other cows/heifers where t.i animals, its a different kind of c**t that would doctor a bvd positive calf and sell it on

whelan2 · 08-09-2024 06:42PM

Pricks prolonging the whole bvd testing gravy train on everyone else

whelan2 · 08-09-2024 08:13PM

Anyone know where the originating herd is, would it be in my area?

Anto_Meath · 08-09-2024 08:49PM

@whelan2 it sounds like something like that. Whatever farm it is its a very serious allegation.. but you would think if this heifer was on its original farm for a period of time then there would be a number of positive ear samples the following year.

One positive sample on a farm it maybe able to fudge but the department would get very suspicious if there was some every year & then coming clear on a retest.

I know when I had 1 case (2023) there was a full trace of where it may have came from. The department informed me the likely source was a parcel of land beside me that is rented to a cull cow finishing feedlot. Seemingly they bought 9 cows from a farm were there were a few cases in the spring of 2022. They were of the opinion that my cow must have come in contact ( across the ditch & drain) with 1 of those 9 cows that must have been a PI.

greysides · 08-09-2024 09:55PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122595070#Comment_122595070

That's my understanding too. Is the affected herd in the Republic? There's an inconsistent element to the whole story. Vets don't retest BVD positives, in fact, you're expressly prohibited from retesting a PI. Full stop.

Nopoints · 08-09-2024 11:03PM

Until recently there was an option of retesting postive animals. It had to be done by a vet that had Bvd training course done. It had to be a blood sample, nothing in place to confirm sample was from correct animal. Get it?

Nopoints · 08-09-2024 11:52PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122595814#Comment_122595814

Until recently postive animals were allowed to be tested a second time by blood sample by a vet. In this case it was the farms owns vet, multiple postive animals were tested a second time all went clear on blood test by same vet, and multiple Herds infected after they were sold By the to dept knew was going on it was yrs later, chose to sweep it under the rug, quietly change the rules to one test only, hopefully no one notice

whelan2 · 09-09-2024 04:46AM

You'd have to wonder what the vet would gain out of this. If the animals were positive and sold on it would come back to them at some stage

Nopoints · 09-09-2024 05:51AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122596059#Comment_122596059

Weren't supposed to be sold, someone got greedy, decided to chance it. Some animals make several thousand only get 200 if it's put down

Anto_Meath · 09-09-2024 07:01AM

@Nopoints I understand what is alleged to have happened. But I can't understand any vet knowingly doing it. It would be more than his job would be worth if the department decided to suspend him.

Secondly if a number of positive animals were on a farm for a year by the nature of the disease the following years herd could be infected. It not a risk I could see any farm taking...

Nopoints · 09-09-2024 07:28AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122596144#Comment_122596144

Won't be suspended, dodgy tb testing case was dropped after being intimidated. Positive animals were kept separate inHerd until sold as weanling hfrs. Lot more I could say, when the time is right. They want to sweep everything under the rug when their system fails or it's one of their own profession. Someone on this thread trying to deny it, alledgy is a vet

alps · 09-09-2024 07:37AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122596182#Comment_122596182

When you make an accusation…the time is right to qualify it. Unless you move to qualify your accusations, what you've said is complete hearsay. If ever there's a reason people get away with wrongdoing, it's because people won't qualify their accusations. You're unfair to the vet on here.

Nopoints · 09-09-2024 07:50AM

You'd be surprised what I have in writing

Nopoints · 09-09-2024 07:54AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122596205#Comment_122596205

Unfair? Why did he hand over 6grand in cash to keep the bvd quiet? How is tb testing done over the phone? Or is just someone pretending to do it?

148multi · 09-09-2024 08:05AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122596182#Comment_122596182

Surely if a calf gets bvd and is kept until a weanling, at the very least it will infect it's mother, am nearly sure that I read somewhere that one bvd case going through a mart will infect a thousand cattle in the mart.

Nopoints · 09-09-2024 08:10AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122596281#Comment_122596281

Sold at special sale, all animals from same Herd, if animal comes in contact with it after it's born it will only be positive for a few wks, if that animal is in calf, the calf will always be positive after it's born

whelan2 · 09-09-2024 08:12AM

What about the farmer? Wtf was he doing selling them when he knew there'd be repercussions

Anto_Meath · 09-09-2024 08:19AM

@Nopoints, I obviously know nothing about this case or any of the individuals involved. If what is been alleged to have happened did happened then it is a terrible. I know how my 1 case was dealt with and as a farmer felt very angry that I was made feel it was my fault when taking to anyone in AHI, (not that there was anyone really to talk to, just a receptionist who kept repeating the current ruels to any questions i asked) I was also annoyed that I wasn't allowed retest the calf, he was from a 3rd calving cows & the previous two were ok.

I know my vet and I am on very good terms with him (family friend) but I also know he takes his profession extremely seriously and wouldn't tolerate any messing. Everything he does is firstly for the good of the animal he is treating & secondly would be for the good of your herd. So I am totally shocked / amazed that any vet would act in any other way.

greysides · 09-09-2024 08:30AM

The OP says "calf". Without checking I know that at least for 2023 and 2024 there has been no retesting of positives permitted. Hence without being privy to the full facts I am a bit leery of what's being said.

But, so there's no doubt, if the story is true, then both farmer and vet have sabotaged an important National disease eradication programme and deserve the full force of the law.

Given the current testing it's hard to see how anyone could possibly expect for it not to come to light and for all concerned to be under the spotlight as regards their actions.

In fact, given the suggested scale, I would expect it to come to light, and not just on social media.

alps · 09-09-2024 08:51AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122596240#Comment_122596240

Why not surprise us?

Anto_Meath · 09-09-2024 08:57AM

If it was 2021 the heifer would have been sold in that autumn or the following years sale, so would likey have only had her calf in 2023 / 2024 and that's why it's only coming to light now.. if this can be proven I would guess it will cause issues for all involved.

Nopoints · 09-09-2024 09:07AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122596434#Comment_122596434

Sold in 2020, Herd that bought it had first ever positives in 2021, ya won't hear a thing about it

whelan2 · 09-09-2024 10:37AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122596464#Comment_122596464

Why?

greysides · 09-09-2024 10:38AM

That timing makes more sense alright.

Anto_Meath · 09-09-2024 11:35AM

While the time would add up how it could be done.

How did they manage to keep it to one case or is there multiple cases on the farm & if so the charge to no retest since 2023 would show up many cases. I think you can't sell heifers for breeding for a year if you had a case in your herd. So there would have been no sale of heifers in 2023.

While the theory of it adds up and people can be right pricks just to make a few euro the practicality of it with the limited knowledge I have of the virus seem impossible to enable.

If there was an animal(s) in a herd infecting other incalf cows meaning a multiple amount calves infected. That would be impossible to control or cover up you would imagine.

Like I was told my cow must have picked it up from a cow in a neighbouring field, either by direct contact, airborne or transferred by birds or wild animals that had direct contact with the infected animal & my cow. Or if my cow was in the Mart for any time during the middle 6 months she was pregnant.

So how did this farm control all those things without have numerous outbreaks.

patsy_mccabe · 09-09-2024 11:43AM

Was the original herd in Co. <mod snip>?

Edited there now Who2 and rightly so, apparently.

Who2 · 09-09-2024 12:31PM

it’s unfair to put that up patsy, while I don’t agree with what has been done there seems to be a lot of people automatically blaming. Until all sides are heard I think everything should be taken with a pinch of salt.

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