The decline of FG?

90% of 18-30 year olds don’t support FG. Have those that have left tipped the balance for FG, is something to wonder about.
The stark facts that emigration is back to 2015 levels is something to worry about. I wonder how many left because they saw FG and FF collude to carry on as they were? Promise change and deliver none.

I'd imagine people emigrate for a variety of reasons.
One of them would be for 'hope'.
Property might be more expensive but actually being able to be in a position to buy would be the attraction. I know that because I know people who emigrated, including young nieces and nephews, who had despaired ever being in a position to own a home etc. I know people too who go for the craic, *crack is a drug afaik

I know you might not like the stark emigration figures quoted and are now trying to say it's just SF rhetoric, you couldn't be more Trumpian and out of touch with reality.

People are emigrating in numbers greater than 2015 = fact. The government is still having to respond to the cost of living crisis here by giving out aid to it's people.

Some craic!

So everything is rosy?

Some things are terrible about this country. Whether SF go up or down or FG get a couple of points ahead doesn't obscure the facts.
'Hope' that you will be able to make a good life is why people emigrate in the main, now and always. Also a fact. Being able to afford a home in a country where property is scarce is better by a country mile than not ever being in a position to buy a home.

Pureza, people emigrate for 'hope'. If Australia provides that hope you'll just have to accept that they are going against your advise. Point is, they are going, in greater numbers every year. Now at 2015 level high. You will also have to accept those CSO figures.

And who says I'm miserable? 😁
I have never denied that Ireland is good on many metrics, I am also not in denial of what 'decline' is and why it is happening. The 'I'm alright Jack, drink up your soup' arrogance of those who want the power balance to remain unaltered being a primary reason why people are moving out of the country and why those who remain are moving away from FG incrementally in every GE since 2011.

Excerpt from the stats:

https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/ep/p-pme/populationandmigrationestimatesapril2023/keyfindings/

Emigration above 60,000 for first time since 2016

Of the 64,000 emigrants, 30,500 were Irish citizens in the year to April 2023. With a total of 29,600 returning Irish citizens, there is close to zero net migration (-900 people).  

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An unbiased reading of the stats and facts would likely conclude that there's been an increase in emmigration compensating for the significant decrease 2 years ago, which is (unsurprisingly) COVID related. People are most likely resuming the plan they had prior to COVID.

The number of returning Irish is also approximately the same as the number of those leaving. If people emmigrating is a sign of hope for a better future elsewhere, then surely people people returning implies they have hope of a better future here?

If the numbers are equivalent, it doesn't paint a picture of anything other than "standard migration patterns"

Or they couldn't buy a house in Australia ?

Honestly you re all negative negative negative,people see through that in SF and do ya know they're fed up of it

Lol yes it's a misleadingly titled thread for bashing Fine Gael and,the latest tool you and your comrade in arms used in it mar dhea that things is terrible because emmigration says so being shown as wrong this past few pages,whats next from you,I'll bet its something else stupidly exaggeratingly gloomy?

I couldn't care less what delusion you are personaly labouring under regarding this current government or Fine Gael,how terrible things are etc etc but do you know posting endless easily debunked SF negativity day in day out won't turf them out,it just turns people off your lot

You are in the habit of pretending there are no posts in this thread(and others) except your own

Its only 4 or 5 posters reading this thread,3 of whom have comprehensively debunked your nonsense,all upthread,so who are you fooling only yourself with the repetition of it?

Id say people will start seeing through the bluffer Harris very soon. His rhetoric is short lived. The honeymoon period is nearly over. I expect Fg to get less than the last election. it's amazing how some try and correlate local elections with a general election . The country awash with money and the gaellers are wasting it all, children hospital, housing etc etc. they can't be trusted to run anything to a budget. The problem is the other crowds are just as useless. Watch the independents clean up

Do you know,I'm just disputing your analysis and the timing of the Fine gael bashing thread when their poll support is on the opposite track to the chief opposition party after 13 years of government & potentially 5 more,aswell as pointing out your ignoring of posters debunkings isn't doing you any favours,plus it just smells of sour grapes & democracy denial tbh trumpian style

Paranoia as they say is like a fart,he who smelled it dealed it

Your comrade in arms never answered Vexorgs question by the way

A ‘decline’ is something that happens over a period. You can set the start point wherever really. I think the decline from 2011 when Enda bought votes promising a new politics is significant though.
People like Eoin O’Malley were writing studies about FGs decline up to 2002. But even if we just go one election cycle their vote dropped.

Why?

If the only comment you can make is that there is a few spelling errors it noted