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French man accused of drugging his wife and inviting men to rape her

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,263 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    so you appear to have been misled by the OP's fantasy normal men narrative.

    None of the people on that website were innocents. It was a site designed for criminality. Not bondage or roleplay. They knew what they wanted and what they were doing. Maybe she just wasn't their type or didn't want to be recorded. Unless one of the suspects has a severe mental disability they knew it wasn't a dating site ffs.



  • Posts: 1,125 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I quote you “Yes, unfortunately. It's hard to argue with your 'if the opportunity presents itself' point. The facts are the facts.”

    And I am the silly one👍 nice one!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 791 ✭✭✭marilynrr


    According to wikipedia it was often likened to a dating site, and it links to this website where they said people used it to chat and make new friends but they warned of the dangers. If you read the comments it seems some people said they were just chatting also.

    https://www.journalduweb.org/coco-chat-cocoland-pourquoi-faut-il-etre-prudent-sur-ce-site/

    It apparently had at least 850,000 users in France alone! Were all of them there for criminality? I suppose it's possible if you want to add in minor things like buying and selling weed I suppose.



  • Posts: 832 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Dr Cassidy's casebook is still available on RTE Player, Season 2 is the femicide cases. I think she's brilliant.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    The article you linked to paints a very different story of the place.

    The fact that the site is accessible to everyone, including minors, makes the Coco chat a veritable hunting ground for sex offenders and pedophiles.

    As recently as 2019, Ouest France reported that a Brest man had managed to download 3,000 images and 160 videos of children from the Cocoland chat site between 2013 and 2016. To do this, he connected to the site daily, even going so far as to stay there 8 hours a day when he was not working. Apprehended by the Brest police station, he admitted the facts in court and the prosecutor requested an 18-month suspended prison sentence, a work obligation, care and his registration in the sex offender register.

    But this is not the only case surrounding the Cocoland site . In 2014, according to a case reported by Le Parisien , two pedophiles regularly chat with minors on the online chat. A gendarmerie cyber patrol pretended to be a 13-year-old girl on the site. During the exchanges, the pedophiles quickly told the little girl that they wanted photos of her, that they wanted to teach her fellatio and even teach her how to make love. The two were sentenced to 3 years and 18 months in prison respectively by the Compiègne criminal court for corruption of minors.

    Another case. This time in Troyes and reported by l'Est Eclair , involving underage girls at the time of the events who forced two fragile and vulnerable 16-year-old girls into prostitution. They all lived in a shelter in the Troyes area, but the two pimps were responsible for writing ads and making appointments, again on the Cocoland website.

    According to Ouest France , it also happened in Cholet that two high school students trapped adults by posting false ads for paid sexual encounters on Coco tchat and then arrived to rob the "victims" of their money.

    Even more alarming (information relayed by BFM ), the tragic death of a man. Four teenagers had set an ambush for him under the pretext of a meeting, only to end up beating him with fatal violence...

    These stories are far from isolated and paint a dark picture… They remind us (and it is imperative that we never forget this) that the internet can be a dangerous place when arranging meetings with strangers.

    And the name of the specific chatroom the perps used in the case was called “a son insu,” which means “without their knowledge.”

    We don't need to speculate it about it here though, the investigators who shut down the site also almost surely have access to all the records they need for the trials, it is they who will sus out if any of the accused have exculpable defenses against their criminal charges.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 791 ✭✭✭marilynrr


    @Overheal

    Yes I did say that the article warned of the dangers, it obviously described a lot of awful stuff and we know it was full of awful stuff, but it does appear that alongside all of that that some people did use it to chat.

    Yes I know that that was the name of the chatroom but then I don't know what else was in that chatroom, could there have been erotic fiction or some kind of consensual stuff also? Who knows really!

    I don't think any of the accused will have any kind of defense. I certainly hope not.

    I was discussing the other 30ish men who came into contact with him and refused the offer and who haven't been accused of anything in the trial. Someone up thread asked did none of them have a conscience at all so I was just pondering it.

    I'm not sure if the police could access much of the data, the messages disappeared after a few hours which is presumably a big reasons why it was so popular for all the sick ****, are they able to get messages from snapchat etc?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 791 ✭✭✭marilynrr


    Sorry that you lost your loved one 💐

    Yes what happened to her was the most unimaginable betrayal, it's hard to imagine anything even being able to take the edge of the pain and suffering she went through. So many lives ruined here. The daughters experience is also sickening, it would be hard to imagine how you could trust a man again after her own father drugged her and took pictures of her. And the sons/brothers too. It's hard to imagine them being able to ever get past these horrors.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 791 ✭✭✭marilynrr


    In this article of the daughters account it says 'He did not have to go far to find willing participants. Most of those who responded lived close by' so it seems that most of them were in fact locals.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/09/03/french-family-date-rape-case-gisele-pelicot/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 855 ✭✭✭Mr Disco


    we are unfortunately living in an age of peak deviancy, the woke anything goes attitude that now pervades society allows justification and encourages these awful behaviours



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 855 ✭✭✭Mr Disco




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    then I have no idea why you are blaming it on wokeness or society and not them. bullshit argument. Go on and blame GTA Vice City next for all the use.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,552 ✭✭✭kaymin


    The daughter didn't say that though - that's a remark from the journalist. I'd be surprised if it is correct.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,874 ✭✭✭Musicrules


    Rapist hate is not man hate, no matter how often that gets repeated.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,874 ✭✭✭Musicrules


    Stop backtracking. You said they were all rapists, how do you know this?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,263 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    From reading about the actual case not the OP's nonsense version that they were normal. If you want to keep banging the OP's fantasy drum to further your agenda then fire away.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,894 ✭✭✭FishOnABike


    It is a matter of perspctive. From the victim's perspective it is unimaginable in its enormity.

    From a population wide perspective it is tiny.

    From a poulation of near 70,000,000 within a self selected sub group within that population who had the disposition to contact similar people on an online forum the main protagonist found, on average, seven people every year over approx. ten years. It is a tiny fraction of one percent. Another poster calculated 0.0013%.

    How does society deal with such a tiny, unrepresentative section of the population?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,874 ✭✭✭Musicrules


    Avoiding the question eh? How do you know they were all rapists? That was your reason for none of them reporting the husband.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,874 ✭✭✭Musicrules


    The OP was clearly talking about 70+ men involved in this case. That is a heck of a lot of men. You're continuing to misrepresent that as others have. Very poor form.

    We also have reports that most of the men were in the locality, do you know different? And stop trying to downplay the issue of sexual assault against women. That's disgusting. It's not just 70 men who rape women and it's not just based in France.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,636 ✭✭✭✭2smiggy


    they were all connected to the same website. Does it make sense to you that maybe all sicko's may tend to use the same sick websites ? In the same way like minded people used 4chan ? I don't have a sock puppet demonstration to make it easier for you to understand unfortunately. Maybe there is someone there to help you ?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,738 ✭✭✭KaneToad


    I think Cassidy is an attention seeking media daaasrling.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,874 ✭✭✭Musicrules


    Well then we have a real issue don't we? If you're saying the sickos are confined to this site, there were 850,000 users so 850,000 sickos. Do you all think 850,000 is a heck of a lot of men?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,636 ✭✭✭✭2smiggy


    math's doesn't seem to be your friend. The opening poster said 50+ men, which to them is 'a heck of a lot of men'. They also implied they were local, which isn't the case it seems. The website was one where sick minded individuals could connect, also like 4chan. That does not mean that everyone that used the website was a rapist. You understand this, or again try find someone to help you understand. You quoted 850000 users, how many of those were female ? You said 850000 is 'a heck of a lot of men'



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,874 ✭✭✭Musicrules


    You're just lying. I'm not sure why? The OP said 70+ men, which is a heck of a lot of men. Reports are saying that most may actually be local. I didn't say 850,000 were rapists. You said sickos use the same sick website so you were saying there was 850,000 sickos. Do you think that's a lot? I'd say as the members list would be about the same as the stats on rape, overwhelmingly male dominated.

    Basically, everything you said in your post was either a lie or just wrong. Are you busy doing something with a sock or something that you keep talking about?



  • Posts: 1,125 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    where has the OP gone? Or are they sitting back enjoying the car crash thread?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,937 ✭✭✭Feisar


    In fairness I ran the numbers there and it doesn't make for pretty reading. 51nr on trial and another 20nr could not be identified. so 71nr in total.

    According to the BBC all this occured between 2011-2020. Started in Paris and continued after move to Mazan in 2013. 71nr rapists over nine years, two years in Paris and seven in Mazan so all else being equal 55nr in Mazan. BBC also said most were local so is 90% a fair representation of "most"? That gives 49.7, so say 50nr. Population of Mazan is 6,269, divide by 2 and that's 1254 men living in a 37.92 km2 area. That's 4% or 1:25 which is pretty shocking.

    I say this as a man who gets mildly annoyed when men get painted as as evil and "men need to do better etc etc"

    First they came for the socialists...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,636 ✭✭✭✭2smiggy




  • Posts: 832 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It was actually a really good series, I don't watch much tv least of all RTE but I watched that twice probably because I had a vested interest in the subject matter and it was a very well put together documentary series.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,034 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    I don't know who "they" is but nobody said it was a local newspaper. It was a meet-up site, and what I said was that the men involved were all from the region. That's because I read that in some of the earlier coverage long before the trial started. France is a big place, so that does NOT mean the same village, which only has 6000 people in it. It does mean they weren't coming from the other end of the country, they were apparently coming from within driving distance.

    I already linked to the victim telling the court that one man was a neighbour whom she knew from speaking to occasionally at the local shops. She said he was always pleasant and polite. She had no idea that he was also coming to her home and raping her.

    Here's another example: a man was interviewed on the radio talking about a very close friend of his who is one of the accused. Again, he had no idea, he said he wouldn't have hesitated to leave his own children with this man.

    And, talking about the man's defence that it was basically a single unfortunate attack of momentary madness, this man was not convinced and he says "He had to search online, … he had to (drive) 20 minutes to get there and he wasn't to wear any scents etc…"

    "A priori, il n’y est allé qu’une fois. Mais sur ce site pourri, il faut faire une recherche, il a dû faire 20 minutes pour s’y rendre, et il ne fallait pas mettre de parfum, etc. ils y sont allés en toute conscience."

    Twenty minutes to get there?? It takes about 10 hours to drive from the north to the south of France. 20 minutes is local. And that's just a random guy being interviewed. He wasn't chosen because his former friend was different from the others. He's typical of the 50 accused. That's the point.

    So yes, they were recruited locally. Which TBF makes sense, since it was a site that was set up for hook-ups. The main reason it was finally shut down, apparently, was nothing to do with this scandal: it was because it was being used to target gay men for robbery - again, they weren't crossing the whole of France for a gay hook up. It was local.

    And anyone who tries to claim that I've ever said "local newspaper" or "same village" etc is lying and I'll report that as a lie.

    ”I enjoy cigars, whisky and facing down totalitarians, so am I really Winston Churchill?” (JK Rowling)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,034 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    To be fair to the cops, there's also the fact that they didn't just write that incident off either, as often happens.

    According to the evidence being given in court, something about him when they interviewed him (not sure what) gave them the intuition that they were dealing with a sexual predator. That's why they seized his computers, hard drives, phones etc. If they'd just done what the Metropolitan Police in London would no doubt have done, given their record on sex offenders, they'd have shaken a finger at him and let it go at that, and it woudl still have been going on.

    If she hadn't died in the meantime - the medical expert said, from watching the videos, that much of the time she was so deeply unconscious that she would been safer put in the recovery position, to stop her suffocating. The judge asked if she was in danger of dying each time, and the doctor said "Yes".

    I wonder how the husband would have explained it away if she had died. Suicide?

    ”I enjoy cigars, whisky and facing down totalitarians, so am I really Winston Churchill?” (JK Rowling)



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