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Mould and damp in attic space

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,142 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Might be simpler to lift couple rows of tiles...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,154 ✭✭✭10-10-20


    And fit an eves tray in place of the felt while you're at it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 631 ✭✭✭jusmeig


    My builder is coming next week, he has already said he's lifting slates or going via soffit. There is no room to work at the point the problem is at its worse, as it boarded for storage. The cross joists take you further from the soffit from the inside and makes a hard job impossible to do right. Victorian kid 100% 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,142 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Might be fixing them anyway with this weather ! 😎😎



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 631 ✭✭✭jusmeig


    Ill resurrect this one to see if the posters above are still active and might have any idea of the next conundrum.

    So the builder was back, and after lifting slates found out that insulation had been packed into the actual soffit vent. So the pipes that were added had restricted airflow as the soffit itself was clogged. Should not have happened obviously, but resolved now at least by removing it all and ensuring the vents are clear.

    So around/after this time we started to notice a smell coming from our MHRV unit (Its a vent Axia Sentinel Advanced). It is installed in the attic space, and vents via roof vents stale air, pulling clean air in about 3/4 m from extract vent.Alll ducting in the attic is insulated, and penetrates through the roof to supply/extract from the house below.

    I would have to say its a musty smell, sometimes almost like a urine smell. Google would suggest it mold growing "somewhere" in the system. Sometimes we cannot smell at all, sometimes really strong…cannot find a pattern!

    Ive had the installer back 3 times now and hes checked all vent, cleaned the mhrv with bleach and apart from a small bit of mold on the extract fan inside the unit o the extract to outside side, no major mold found. Given what happened in the attic its hard to not connect the 2 things, but this lad has opened up the manifold etc and says he cannot find any mold. So hes completely bamboozled, as are we!?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,142 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Always assumed it was subpar airflow. Even to this day builders in this country appear to be completely amateur hour when it comes to reasons for holistic view of ventilation needs in homes, particularly important where renovations are concerned the dynamic is entirely different to a new home.

    As for smell, your extract and your input should be completely separate only for the heat exchanger which is a temperature conduit and not air. So the smell would therefore theoretically be the input side. (Supply)

    So the areas to check would be the Supply from outside first. I'd throw an inspection camera in there. The door of the actual unit itself, how well is it sealed from the attic space an obvious source of contamination to the Supply side. And finally each Supply the worst smell rooms. Throw a camera into the pipe work. Usb c cameras can be bought for little money on amazon and can connect to your phone. Inspection camera.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 631 ✭✭✭jusmeig


    Thanks for reply: So I opened the unit and the gaskets and seal look fine. The unit closes very tight, so im fairly sure that its not taking air in from the attic space. The contractor opened the ducts from the outside supply vent to the unit and said they were clean/clear. No sign of mold etc. He then opened the manifold and said that was clear. He obviously didnt inspect all the ducts from the manifold to each room, so its possible that they are the cause. I'll look into this camera. It would need to be telescopic like as some of the ducts are from the attic to kitchen.

    Attached 2 pics. One is the mold on the fan on the extract to outside…side. This had mold. We think this was back when we had the ventilation issue and the machine was in holiday mode and shut off. The supply fan on other side completely clean, and in general the inside was clean.

    mhrv2.png mhrv.png


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,142 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Was that fan cleaned? It shouldn't be like this at all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,154 ✭✭✭10-10-20


    Pop an email or open a case with Vent Axia and ask them about the conditions for mold at that point on the return side. It's very localised around the fan blades, so I'm wondering if there is a condition which causes this such as a blocked exhaust or excessive humidity (or a balancing issue).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 631 ✭✭✭jusmeig


    Yes I cleaned with mold remover and vinegar. This was pre cleaning. I've inspected every week since and no new buildup.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 631 ✭✭✭jusmeig


    Good idea will do. The working theory on that is that I set it to holiday mode to go "off" rather than low. It was def humid in that space when I was away as it was pre vents being unclogged. It's in the extract side, so would make sense as it's the warm/humid air. Reading online it seems u never shut these off for a prolonged period as the house needs ventilation!! Silly mistake from me, won't happen again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 631 ✭✭✭jusmeig


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    Had a lad who suggested the poor smell might be from the drain. As u can see there is a trap on both, but it's a water trap and this is mostly a dry condensing line…so the trap is doing nothing. This pipe goes into a drain, and said drain has had a sub optimal smell when an untrapoed boiler expel pipe was in it. One other thing to eliminate I guess, will need a different trap.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,473 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    If you are not in the house and not using the bathrooms then you shouldnt need any MHRV running. Where is the humidity coming from if there is no one in the house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,142 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Houses will always have some level of humidity it doesn't require human occupation.

    It's why people air houses by cracking windows when unoccupied or sale for a long time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,142 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Ah yes the drain can 100 percent have growth on it. The captured water will contain bacteria very easy to grow not necessarily to the type of drain it's connected to.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,473 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    Sure, but I would expect the natural ventilation in the house (window trickle vents, general leakages, etc) to take care of that, unless its an airtight new build designed to require a MHRV?

    Even so, the worst I would expect is maybe a stale smell, not mould growing and certainly not mould growing in the MHRV itself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 631 ✭✭✭jusmeig


    So it was a deep retrofit designed. They did airtightness etc. we would crack the occasional window with it but when I checked the holiday mode section it was set to off in holiday dates. The options are normal, low, off

    Sad 🎺 moment. Should be low. Only recommends being off for cleaning etc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 631 ✭✭✭jusmeig


    I don't think smell and mould are connected, coincidentally occured. We will find out tomorrow! Dry trap goes on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,142 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Generally speaking mhrv comes into play when your airtightness is up to a relatively high standard. Not necessarily passive but a good standard.

    They're often not recommended or installed in less airtight homes. I'd expect turning it off you'll get natural smells etc in the house itself without human inhabitation



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,142 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    I haven't yet installed the trap on ours yet as it was installed in a rear hallway and I've some other work scheduled there stud walls etc. So had a large flexi bucket under the drain location to see what water it makes.

    It probably puts out about 2 litres every 2 weeks in winter. Complete opposite in summer near bone dry for weeks.

    However you will find the water would get bacteria growth on it. Sitting water even short periods of time.

    I've a clear understanding of the drain requirements now. But what I'd say is I wouldn't want any of that type of water sitting for any time in a trap or bucket. So if it was off and not creating more water a trap could have sitting water in it.

    If it was me I'd remove the trap and just run a drain out the soffit like the overflow from your attic water tank. The trap is pointless unless connected to a sewerage drain.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,154 ✭✭✭10-10-20


    The trap might be there to seal it off, it might run open-loop if it's missing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 631 ✭✭✭jusmeig


    Builder added a hepvo trap, mystery solved. Smell completely gone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,142 ✭✭✭✭listermint




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 631 ✭✭✭jusmeig




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,142 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    There shouldn't be a pump in these . It's just a floor and a hole. The water drops to the floor and hopefully finds the hole. Then into the pipework away. Hence just drain it out past the soffit.



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