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Enoch Burke turns up to school again despite sacking - read OP before posting

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,609 ✭✭✭Deep Thought


    so.. who is funding him and his family?

    The narrower a man’s mind, the broader his statements.



  • Posts: 14,769 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Funding what?

    He is still being paid a teachers salary, Ammi got a pay out, and they don’t pay for legal advice obviously. The Barrister does grinds and appears from reviews to be a good Law tutor. Some family members may well be receiving social welfare payments. Apart from the recent Facebook payment revelations, petrol costs going up to WH and whatever they spend on food, I don’t get the sense they live extravagant lives.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,011 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Good quality, solid, plastic storage boxes of the type used by the young lad to move papers around on court dates are surprisingly expensive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,009 ✭✭✭Ezeoul




  • Posts: 14,769 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,009 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    That would make for an interesting confrontation if he chose Harris as a target. There'd be no bail for that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,011 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Most likely to target a notable gay TD, so Jack Chambers is more likely; or O'Gorman. Or both, as they're in the same constituency.

    Zaponne and Norris were previous targets



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,009 ✭✭✭Ezeoul


    What is this?!? Is that a fold up stool in his satchel?

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    Sitting is cheating! 🤣



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 843 ✭✭✭kazamo


    Contempt of Court is applied differently in this case as he has been twice released without the need to purge his contempt.

    So now if you sit in prison long enough, the contempt of court is eroded without the need to tell the judge you won’t do it again……and what does Enoch do ?………he goes back to the school which was the reason he was found in contempt of court in the first place.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 859 ✭✭✭French Toast


    Is he still receiving a pay check from his job at Wilson’s?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,130 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    Can the costs awarded against him be taken from his teacher salary? That is assuming he has paid nothing and refuses to pay anything.



  • Posts: 14,769 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I’m not sure that is the way it works, if you are sent to jail for burglary, just because you commit another burglary does not mean the law is applied differently to you the next time you are in front of the judge. The judge used his discretion to release Burke while the school was closed to students, it showed empathy and no doubt the hope was that Burke would use the time to reflect on his decisions. Obviously it hasn’t had the desired effect (or maybe it has, to show common sense will not prevail) and no doubt, the same consideration of the law will be applied to return him to his digs. I suspect the Judge had also hoped that WH would have got their act together and convened the appeal hearing, thus ending any excuse Burke could use, that he is still in paid employment at WH.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,009 ✭✭✭Ezeoul




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,009 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Looking at a video of Mrs Burke and Josiah outside a CAMHS building on facebook taken by an unseen third person, it seems she has run a tuition centre in Castlebar for over 25 years. It seems she and Josiah have the same thoughts on transgenderism as they believe [according to the wording of the script provided with their video] that the CAMHS logo is the LGBT flag which is promotion of Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender ideology. They claim that affirmation to transgenderism is a requirement if one wants to adopt children. Christian belief is not tolerated.

    If one is to take the script with the video into account as a true read on the thinking of Mrs Burke and Josiah it seems likely that Enoch learned not only to read and write at Mum's schooling but his view on transgenderism as well, whatever about the views on other aspects of Irish social life that, according to the video script, Mrs Burke and Josiah hold. An education like that over his childhood would take some Damascus Road conversion to get over. Ditto for his siblings.

    Edit of typo: CAMHS for CAHMS. I googled for the CAMHS logo, it seems some UK symbols are multicoloured and easily mistaken for another when one is educationally-confused about things.

    Post edited by aloyisious on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,009 ✭✭✭Ezeoul


    The CAHMS logo is not an LGBT flag.

    Jesus wept.

    Post edited by Ezeoul on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,677 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    I’d imagine he’d weep if he thought people thought the Burke’s represented his beliefs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 406 ✭✭LLewellen Farquarson


    The article says that he entered a classroom being used by transition year teachers for a meeting. The irony 🤣



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,009 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    The Journal.ie report mentioned that the schools counsel told the court that another concern was that other third parties have also started attending outside the school in relation to the ongoing situation with Burke. The identity of these other third parties was not made clear by the schools counsel. He and his family may have felt emboldened by the court's releasing him from prison while the school was on its holidays.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,300 ✭✭✭hoodie6029


    I remember listening to the radio about 25 years ago, Pat Kenny or the like. An old man was on saying he was asked to ‘move on’ one day as he has stopped on the footpath outside a school for a few minutes and was watching the children playing joyfully and it cheered him up. Until he was asked to scram, which is why was on.

    This goon, and now other parties too according to the journal are prowling the campus of a school and they have to go to the High Court to get rid of him???

    I don’t listen to the radio anymore apart from Ian Dempsey, but are any of the moan merchants using their platforms to speak common sense? It a simple message ‘This man should not harassing the school, the staff and students and has no right to stand outside it everyday. Their rights to peace are greater than any he is crying about. He’s a grown man behaving like a brat of a child who won’t hear “no” and is throwing a tantrum.’

    This is water. Inspiring speech by David Foster Wallace https://youtu.be/DCbGM4mqEVw?si=GS5uDvegp6Er1EOG



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,566 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    So the school staff is anxious and concerned about a lunatic roaming the corridors and other people showing up too.

    Why haven't the guards been called or do Westmeath operate under different laws?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,518 ✭✭✭BK5


    The Guards should have been waiting at the gates the first day the school opened and the second he stepped near the place, into the back of a squad. So unfair on the staff in Wilsons that they have to action on this at all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 843 ✭✭✭kazamo


    Up to now, if you were found in contempt of court, the only way to purge the contempt is to stand in front of the judge and say you will not do it again.

    However, in this case, the defendant shows no interest in doing that, but is released anyway, on two separate occasions.

    The Appeal hearing is largely irrelevant apart from a salary that, up to now, gave him some ability to pay fines which far exceed his monthly salary. And most of it won’t be paid anyway.

    If we keep letting someone out who shows up outside a school regardless of the 700 a day cost, and is prepared to sit in prison rather than purge his contempt of court……do you really believe an appeal hearing is going to bring an end to this ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,732 ✭✭✭knucklehead6




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,117 ✭✭✭mountain




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,631 ✭✭✭Tork


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    You beat me to it. I think the other one is Fergus Power. These guys are fans of Enoch when they're not busy with their other "activism"



  • Posts: 14,769 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The appeal is very relevant, and WH should have taken advantage of his release to hear the appeal. As earlier linked articles on this thread refer to, the Gardai are reluctant to intervene because technically, until the appeal is heard, he continues to be in paid employment of WH. Also, if the WRC finds that WH errored in some area of procedure, this again makes how the appeal process is carried out, very relevant.

    I certainly think that when the appeal is heard, and he is unsuccessful, that removes the last grounds on which he can base his attendance at WH, he can no longer claim it is his place of work because the disciplinary process will have concluded.

    WH should really have heard the appeal during the summer, carrying that in to the new academic year was foolish on their part, unless there was some legal impediment which prevented them from doing so.

    Whether he purges his contempt does not alter the law as it is applied, it is up to the Judge whether he/she wants to jail him for his contempt. For most, I suspect the time spent there would give pause for thought, but Enoch feels right is on his side and seems willing for it to be a battle of wills between himself and the judge. My money is on the Judge.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,884 ✭✭✭✭LambshankRedemption




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,009 ✭✭✭Ezeoul


    I hope the Dept of Social Protection is taking note, and monitoring these types.

    If they are found to be on Jobseekers payments they should lose a day of payment as they are clearly making themselves unavailable for work.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 843 ✭✭✭kazamo


    The appeal is irrelevant because once he loses his job, he can still stand outside the school entrance and continue his protest.

    Not purging his contempt but still allowing him out, has led to this charade where he is back outside the school.



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