Vice President Kamala Harris vs Donald Trump 2024

Sometimes the elephant in the room is so **** huge though.

I mean, why can't we just move past the fact that Kang and Kodos are both Aliens who murdered the candidates and bodysnatched them so they could rig the election? Why do you keep bringing that up all the time??

Trump is a convicted felon. He has been found guilty of rape in a court of law (you might think it's useful to debate whether his finger or fallus defines rape but best of luck with that)

If these were the only reasons for not selecting him as president, they'd be pretty strong arguments on their own. But they're also accompanied by millions of other reasons

He's a liar

He's old and frail

He's boring and rants and raves like a lunatic

He's ignorant about basic facts, (Science, History, Geography)

He's failed multiple times in business, and had to file for bankruptcy

He cheats at Golf

He cheats on his wives

He cheats on his taxes

He defaults on his debts

He's a terrible judge of character and hires terrible staff

He's a war monger who wants war with Iran and wants to support Israel in their attempts to destablise the middle east

He's a science denier, he is determined to roll back all progress on tackling climate change

He is a massive racist

He doesn't care if states roll back all reproductive rights, including even the right to use contraception

He doesn't respect democracy

He doesn't support the peaceful transition of power (if he loses)

He is lying about his own policy positions and whether he supports the 'Project 2025' documents

He looks wierd

He managed to make a story about surviving a bullet to the head sound so boring that people have already forgotten that even happened

He is lazy, he worked fewer hours than any president in recent memory

He is barely literate, he speaks and writes at the level of an 8 year old

He has no diplomacy skills, in his time as president, he was a laughing stock internationally, and rude and insulting to other world leaders

The people he will likely install in his cabinet are actual neo-nazis and fascists

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Trumps choice of VP was a major error on his part and may yet cost him the election - a VP throughout the election is chosen to help shore up certain voters that the candidate themselves find hard to attract- Trump just picked a mini-me.

Harris needs to keep close to her VP throughout this election - just to ensure any doubters can be reassured

You keep mentioning doubts about Harris. But you fail to mention the massive, and clear, doubts about Trump.

He is a convicted fraudster and sexual assailant. He is currently going through the legal process in regard to stealing and refusing to return, classified documents. His massive tax cut failed to drive growth in the economy, he promised 5 to 6%.

He is clearly much older, and all his recent speeches and debates show a man who is struggling to keep pace.

He is struggling for money. He owes 500m in court fines with apparently no way to pay. His fundraising is miles behind Harris. Any fundraising is going to keep his legal issues on the long finger in the hopes of getting elected and being able to quash them all.

The momentum is with Harris. Doesn't mean she will win, but it is hard to see how Trump is going to make any changes to turn things around. His base is a given, nothing will change their minds. But we have seen his support drop off as Biden was replaced. The polls all showed that voters didn't like that Biden was so old and that raised concerns, concerns that were solidified with his debate performance.

But Harris doesn't have any of those issues regarding age. Trump very much does. The swings in the polling in relation to mental ability etc are massive. Trump had 30+ point leads over Biden and that has now been reversed. There was always talk of how Trump would win over Biden voters, the age and mental ability seemed to be the way to do it. That has all been lost now.

Not really, I think Harris' momentum will grow a bit more, maybe to 7 points. But look at any previous election and the candidate maybe gets the popular vote by 2%. The reality is there's a proportion of the US population that will vote GOP no matter what. Equally there's a proportion of the population who would never care about how low Trump goes.

Harris needs to target key states and that's the biggest priority. That appears to be what she's doing.

There’s still “unknowns” for Harris- true her opponent is weak but he’s not written off yet- why? Will he be post debate? Lets see.

Harris’ ethnicity unfortunately will lose her some votes - that’s just how America rolls unfortunately. Her gender will also lose her some votes- again unfortunate but we know there’s glass ceilings everywhere- hopefully her VP choice can counteract some of these voters. Then there’s the mobilisation of many groups on polling day who are reluctant to go out and vote- that’s a mammoth task and can’t be underestimated - fine if you lead in the polls but if your people don’t come out to vote on the day, it’s all meaningless.

There are people here saying “Harris will win”- I’m ignoring such posts as it’s way too early to call it and we’ve seen such rubbish predictions in the past turn to dust on the day- the Republicans or Trump at least, is going to fight dirty - we know that- will it impact Harris, let’s see. What Trump promises for the economy will be key and how he paints Harris as a failed VP which he’ll do, will also be key- if certain undecided voters believe Trump is better for their oaychecks and pockets , all the moral arguements in the world won’t change that.

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The very reason that Trump continues to see such support is the very reason why he will struggle to attract new support. People are well aware of who Trump is. They have made their minds up. 9 years he has been playing the same gig. He didn't even stop campaigning when he did become POTUS. So there is nothing new there.

He does carry a very large, and very committed, level of support. A level of support that I would bet almost no one else could have continued with given everything that he has done. But the flip side is that he will always find it difficult to break through. He didn't do it, in terms of the popular vote, in 2016 when he had the benefits of the newcomer. He lost again om 2020, this time the EC went against him as well.

He is losing support with women because of his almost glee with getting Roe v Wade overturned. How to win that support back. Soften his message on abortion. But that carries the real risk of losing the very support he has now.

He carries a lot of support because he 'says it like it is'. But that puts many off and is now faced with not only a woman but a minority. Can he successfully land the hits against Harris whilst not alienating those who don't already support him? The last few weeks would suggest not.

He had the incumbency in 2020, traditionally a massive benefit, but still lost. But he is running on the basis of his experience of being POTUS, which immediately brings people back to why they didn't vote for him in 2020. Is there anything he has done since that election to make those people think they should give him another go?

Anyone who has paid any attention to US politics since 2015 will know that you can never write off Trump. At every stage where one would think he was done, he managed to rise again. He has been prematurely written off way too many times. So I don't think anyone thinks that Harris has this won. Or that anyone will go into the election night thinking that they know what is going to happen. Based on 2020, it is more likely that we will still be questioning who will be POTUS well into January 2025.

I guess it’s just so much easier for you to shout that people you disagree with here “dont have the mental capacity” to believe your vapid arguments such as “Trump is more experienced” because “he was the president”

I don’t think you need much more oxygen here. This is like your recently shuttered feedback thread where you felt that you were free to name call other posters in lieu of remaining civil. Who lacks mental capacity then?

Trump has a lot of experience “being president” I guess, sure he is the most impeached one term president in history, under his experience he ran up the largest one term deficit in human history and buddied up to the Taliban and dictators and played a ton of golf. But Harris, pfft, she was just the vice president of a normal administration, a senator and a career prosecutor with no scandals to her name. Close call.

I’ve no intention of bickering with you either I just note it’s strange you feel free to declare everyone you disagree with “lacks the mental capacity” to agree with you. It’s very transparent low effort posting. Your mask is off.

The most extraordinary aspect for me is how Trump has held the reins for so long as candidate without any viable alternative getting a look in- it’s the illusion of democracy only - “land of the free” it is not. It’s quite a fearful paranoid place right now

Not having been president before is the usual before becoming president. It can't really be an issue if it is usually expected that at least 1 of the candidates have not held the position before and frequently neither will have that experience. Generally people look for experience in politics and law for the presidency which she has ample of.

Another factor is how desperate and underhanded the GOP is at state level, being prepared to undermine the whole electoral system if they don't see themselves winning legitimately. I expect that voter suppression will be rampant, and that legal strategies to ignore the vote and put forward their own slate of electors are already in place. It's not just Trump trying to win here, it's a very corrupt GOP at state level trying to rig the election.

There’s no question Harris is the “better” candidate when compared to Trump - but morality doesn’t appear to be a significant factor in this election - well as significant as it should be given Trumps ever expanding list of crimes and misdemeanours.

This 4% of undecided voters- what in all that’s holy will persuade them given all that’s known about Trump? What does Harris have to do to convince them? That’s the secret sauce and I’m not sure does anyone have the answer- that’s why this election is so riveting.