Vice President Kamala Harris vs Donald Trump 2024

Nobody is opening any champagne. Unlike Trump who picked JD on the basis that the Election was done and dusted. The only question was how big the win.

Every speaker at the DNC spoke of how tough the fight was going to be. How they needed to get out every voter, knock on every door.

Not strange at all except for the fact many posters here are seeing her through rose tinted glasses and aren’t at all interested in the slightest criticism of her- which makes discussion pointless with them.

Prior to her Presidential nomination ie before Biden stepped down, she was on an approval rating of just 16%.

Yes she has come a long way- granted- but post the convention last week she didn’t increase her lead- that’s concerning - it’s too early for Harris to “stall”- according to poll below 4% lead, 4% undecided and 4% voting other - everytime I highlight that Harris has significant challenges to overcome, we get this but but but Trump is a rapist stupid idiotic response.

There are posters here who just can’t have a discussion around the realities of this election - in their rose tinted minds, it’s simply good vs evil- it’s not at all that simple but maybe that’s all their brains can deal with - it’s the American people who will decide this election and they’re struggling with Harris right now- if polls remained unchanged since last week, what will happen come the televised debate? Will people still remain apathetic?

“Vice President Kamala Harris’ lead over former President Donald Trump remains unchanged after the Democratic National Convention last week, according to a new Morning Consult survey that found the majority of voters didn’t pay attention to most of the major speeches and events—though more voters see Democrats as unified.”

https://www.forbes.com/sites/saradorn/2024/08/27/harris-lead-over-trump-unchanged-after-dnc-first-poll-finds/
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1172346/share-us-adults-favorable-opinion-kamala-harris/

But it isn't really idiotic to point out Trump is a rapist and felon because he is.

If our presidential race turned into Larry Murphy vs Leo Varadkar, I know Leo isnt popular but compared to the alternate (Murphy) I would think Leo should comfortably win regardless.

Maybe I'm old fashioned and am just discriminating against criminals and rapists. Maybe most Americans would be proud the have their leader be a rapist and criminal in which case Trump has the comfortable win.

I think quite the opposite is the reality. There are plenty of Republicans who grudgingly were going to vote for Trump until the felonies. For some thats a line they wont cross.

Eh it’s being done every second post- it’s tiresome at this stage and it’s preventing real discussion - if it was all so easy to just to keep repeating that, why aren’t Republicans defecting from Trump? Why isn’t Harris much further ahead?

Some posters seem to think by continually repeating this nearly every single post that they’re “debating” - they’re not, they’re just going around in circles with the same old arguements- why not explore why so many people still support Trump, given all that’s happened? Simple reason is they don’t have the insight or mental capacity to do that - it’s just so much easier to shout what they shout each and every post. Theyre no different than the extreme MAGA supporters themselves and I couldn’t hold a conversation with them either- nor would I wish to

A great post I have to say- except the last line where you’re “sure” this will happen - isn’t that a bit blind thinking? Yes Trumps support group is dwindling or at least finite - but there are challenges for Harris when it comes to certain voters too for lots of reasons - and that’s reflected in her not increasing her lead since last weeks convention - it’s anything but a certainty right now. I thought the debate in a few weeks time might help her greatly - I’m not as confident now as maybe these undecided won’t even look in-

But that wasn't an issue for Trump in 2016? HC should have won in a landslide based on Trump's argument that experience is important.

That is the thing with almost every line of attack Trump and his supporters try. In nearly every case it is based on complete hypocrisy.

Harris has experience in government, legislature, dealing with difficult situations etc. But being VP is akin to being a backbence TD. Yes, it gives you greater influence than a non-government TD but you don't have any impact.

As Trump himself stated, the VP is not important. Is anyone really expecting that JD Vance is going to be running the US if Trump gets elected. Because if you believe that the VP has that power, then there is simply no way that anyone should be voting for the Trump/Vance ticket.

Indeed. Let’s see how or indeed if, Trump deals with that at the debate. This isn’t a typical election so my policies vs your policies sort of discussions are thin on the ground given Trumps eh, unique approach to discussion.
He’ll obviously blame her for everything and some people will suck that up - her main challenge will be to look and sound credible and presidential - but let’s not also forget…”it’s the economy stupid” - you’d be mad to discount that in this election

I dont get the inexperience thing. The only way you can be truly experienced to be POTUS, is by being POTUS before. I would argue that being VPOTUS doesn't count as the buck does not wholly stop with you, but then being POTUS you are not on your own either. Working with cabinet, with Congress, with the Senate, POTUS is more like a project manager than a dictator. Harris has worked with all of these, has won elections to be AG and to get into the Senate.

In 2016, Trumps argument against not being experienced was he was a successful CEO. (How successful is a matter for another debate), but when he got in, it was obvious he didn't know how politics in Washington and on the global stage actually works. You dont cosy up to the leaders of the 2 biggest threats to world peace, while simultaneously alienating your allies, and get involved in internal politics in Israel.

So when people say she is inexperienced, I don't really understand what they mean.

Your mention of Vance triggered me. As disasterous as Trump winning would be, if something were to happen to Trump, and considering his age that's not beyond the realm of possibility, the thought of JD Vance as President of the USA, should fill every clear thinking person with blind terror.

”Nobody said anything about Trump being a rapist”

sorry but I can’t take a word you say seriously after that comment 😀

VP position and importance is up to the POTUS. VP Cheney was probably more important than POTUS Bush. Obviously Trump didn't give Pence much limelight. Harris might do well to indicate that Walz will have major roles in the administration.