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Donald Trump the Megathread part II - Mod Warning updated in OP 12/2/26

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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,643 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    But they keep giving these loons the platform in the name of "balance" and allow them to spout utter bollocks without response.

    If they want to show balance , then pick a topic and publish two opposing opinions side by side as I have seen done quite a lot in Irish and UK papers.

    But this thing of just giving them a half page in the paper to promote absolute nonsense is bordering on negligence



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,747 ✭✭✭Economics101


    Just what I always suspected: there is therefoe hardly any journalism in the Irish Times! 😁

    At least the NYT and WP and others have a fair amount of original, informative journalissm, clearly separate from the Op Ed pieces..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    By the time this debate happens he will have said it both ways just to gum up fact checkers

    https://www.mediaite.com/trump/trump-undercuts-his-campaigns-push-for-muted-mics-at-debate-doesnt-matter-to-me-id-rather-have-it-probably-on/

    Biggest flip flopper on the planet.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,041 ✭✭✭Detritus70


    I don't know if this has made the rounds here yet, but I'm just all the way there for it.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,262 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    If Harris has any kind of lead though, she will win. It doesn't need to be significant at all.

    Trump has not said how he will fox anything, at all. He has no policies to address, he just uses soundbites like "we will do great things, the best there ever has been". This works for his base who would vote for him no matter what.

    Swing voters are actually interested in policies and action, his rallies are not aimed at them, you can see it very clearly when he feeds off what they are saying and just starts attacking his opponents with slurs.

    Look at how the politicians he supported for the elections 2 years ago fared. The majority lost their seats, they were spewing rubbish about stolen elections, which Trump still to this day claims, he is also saying he can only lose this election if it is rigged.

    The momentum has shifted, still a very long way to go. Trump is running scared by planting seeds about dropping out of the debates. That will harm him more than Harris.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,006 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    That is on national figures, I presume? I used to think it was more than that. We had the discussion here previously as to the margin needed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,353 ✭✭✭✭Rjd2


    Trump somehow got 77 million votes last time and has a good chance of winning again, I think its fine now and then to have pro Trump pieces in something like the NYT as you should have plenty of pro Harris pieces.

    The last thing the NYT should aspire to be is another echo chamber as my God their is more than enough of them on both sides of American politics.

    I don't think a random Rich Lowry column will make much of a difference anyhow so all this kerfuffle today is silly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,262 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Why does it have to be 3?

    Surely just 1 will suffice…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,681 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Tulsi Gabbard endorses Trump. Another one for the growing anti war supporters.

    Niccolò Machiavelli :

    "To ally with great powers to defeat your neighbour is a strategic trap; if you win, you become the slave of the greater power; if the allied power is defeated, you remain alone and defenceless against the angry neighbour, and you are destroyed." - Niccolò Machiavelli



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 37,976 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    I think the point being made (I saw a clip of the discussion earlier) is that historically, Trump has under-polled, as in the polls up to and including election day have a larger margin of error than usual because more people tend to not admit they're voting for Trump or not respond to the polls at all. And so it's not enough for the Dems to see they're beating Trump by a point in the latest poll, they have to be beating him by 3 or more to account for that.

    Not that they should rest on their laurels either way, but just that they need to make sure they have each state sown up by a decent margin to reduce the chances of being surprised when Trump performs better than the polls predicted.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,681 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Niccolò Machiavelli :

    "To ally with great powers to defeat your neighbour is a strategic trap; if you win, you become the slave of the greater power; if the allied power is defeated, you remain alone and defenceless against the angry neighbour, and you are destroyed." - Niccolò Machiavelli



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,076 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    What trump doesn't know about NATO could fill 40 libraries

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,228 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    you understand the electoral college system? Hillary won the popular vote by about 2%…



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,643 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    It's not about having Pro Trump articles it's about preventing outright lies.

    An opinion piece suggesting that Trump can beat Harris on "Character" is arrant nonsense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,076 ✭✭✭✭everlast75




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,262 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    I never mentioned anything about the popular vote or electoral college, nor was it mentioned in the post I was referring to.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,262 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Funny that she would endorse Trump and claim he would walk the US back from war, after pretty much every action he has taken and position has pretty much guaranteed the opposite.

    She is as much of a clown as the rest of them. Heard her on a podcast recently and she spouted waffle all over the place.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,164 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
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    There may also be a “reluctant Harris” group of voters out there too- ie they may say they’re voting Harris but just may not vote on the day- whatever their reason this could mean Harris needs a much bigger margin than what, was it 3% ?

    If the post debate polls don’t reflect a greatly increased margin it’s going to be way too close to call



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,699 ✭✭✭thecretinhop


    Tulsi is a great person thought she might be vp choice. Nothing to see here again yes?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,228 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122547966#Comment_122547966the James carville quote in the post you were replying to talked about the need for Harris to win the popular vote by BBC at least 3%. I presumed that was the context….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,742 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    A clear lead for one or other side in polls can sometimes backfire too… people don't vote as they think they don't need to. I think there was an element of that in 2016 on the Democrats side. I wouldn't expect it this time.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 948 ✭✭✭engineerws


    Not seeing the difference. Kamala would talk a bit nice while murdering Palestinians and trump talks more vulgar while murdering Palestinians.

    They're both awful.

    Trump is more likely to diplomatically end the war in Ukraine and Kamala more likely to push for women reproductive rights and support the trans community.

    If you think the Ukraine war is bad vote Trump. If you think abortion rights are important vote Kamala. The rest is nonsense and sad people waste their cerebral cortex on this rubbish.

    Dr Jill Stein is at least humane but anyway. I'm not American and not going to vote so…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,656 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    From the NYT in May this year.

    May 30, 2024

    Tulsi Gabbard, a former House member who ran for president in 2020 as a Democrat and then left the party, on Wednesday embraced the idea of joining Donald J. Trump as his running mate on the Republican ticket.

    “If asked to serve in that way, I would be honored to do so,” Ms. Gabbard said in response to a question from the audience during a speech at the Richard M. Nixon Library and Museum in California. She was promoting her book about her estrangement from the political left.

    Ms. Gabbard, an independent, is considered a long shot for the role, but has drawn intrigue from Mr. Trump with her criticism of Democrats and her visibility on conservative news outlets. She has visited Mr. Trump multiple times at Mar-a-Lago, his private club and residence in Florida.

    Coincidence my ass! The question now is only why did she wait until RFK stepped forward to make her move?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,781 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    Well Trump wants Israel to hurry it up and get it over with for PR, and Kamala has called for a ceasefire.

    Not seeing the difference in that?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,253 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Trump's idea of ending the Ukraine war is handing territories to Russia... Basically if you want to leave Russia off to commit a load of genocide, then vote Trump. A form of peace where you just pretend it's all sorted.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,228 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    If you think the Ukraine war is bad vote Trump. If you think abortion rights are important vote Kamala. The rest is nonsense

    So no other issue is off the slightest significance? The economy, immigration. Clinate change, gun control , all nonsense?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,742 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    If you think the Ukraine war is bad, you'd have to have swallowed an awful lot of Russian propaganda to think Putin's lapdog Trump would deliver peace and security for Ukraine. Trump doesn't give a damn about the fate of Ukraine, as evidenced by his playing political football with their security because they wouldn't go along with his scurrilous muck raking about political opponents. Trump would abandon Ukraine.

    Trump doesn't care if Russia slaughters, rapes, enslaves or tortures every last civilian under Russian occupation. That's Russian peace for you, that's Trump's peace for you. Atrocities don't just happen in war. But all that matters to some people is that it doesn't happen "in war" and they can go back to turning a blind eye to it.

    But sure prove me wrong, find the quotes where Trump publicly criticises Russia for the documented evidence of its war crimes and atrocities, for its occupation and abuses in Ukrainian territory. War is bad but that is worse. Find us the quotes where he condemns Russia without reservation for such conduct. Trump mouths off about everything else, but not that. Says it all.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 31,760 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    Trump and diplomacy in the same sentence? Trump has not the least idea of diplomacy in any form. Certainly there would be nothing diplomatic about his 'solving' the Ukraine problem.



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