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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,343 ✭✭✭brady12


    Any word on how performs on console? Only heard Pc talk



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 54,103 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    Glitches and performance hitches on console but they are prerelease reports. Doesn't sound too egregious.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,726 ✭✭✭marcbrophy


    Thanks Dave, I'll let you know if I pick it up!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,586 ✭✭✭SuperBowserWorld


    For me, Jedi Survivor was bland because Star Wars is bland. I think this game will be less bland than it's source material, in which case it's job done. I think this looks fine. If it's not pushing any gameplay boundaries then it's because the Disney/Ubisoft management were on their backs. Also, they got this huge game to market on time. They did amazing things (massive) technically with the Avator game too (more bland source material). I'd say Star Wars fans will love this game.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 255 ✭✭CWMMC


    The graphics look horrible it's nearly as if we have gone backwards



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 54,103 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    Digital foundry seems to be full of praise for the game.



  • Administrators Posts: 55,726 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    It's an Ubisoft game, so just wait a week after it comes out and get the sentiment from actual players.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 31,107 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    Even for those who like Ubisoft open world games more than I do (I have zero interest in them anymore), I can’t imagine ‘less bland’ are ever the words that spring to mind for their output 😅

    The entire company is built around making games that are defiantly formulaic and predictable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,586 ✭✭✭SuperBowserWorld


    Looks like the speeder will be more fun to drive across alien worlds vs the new moon buggy in Starfield at least 🤣



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 31,107 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    Emm…

    “Worst of a bad bunch, on the exploration front, is Star Wars Outlaws' horrible, wicked, downright cursed speeder. Star Wars games have always had trouble with speeders - a function of their original design itself really, as flimsy, overtly crashable and ludicrously fast - but this thing is something else. Not only is it a nightmare to drive, revealing the blunt edges of Outlaws' very limited physics by slamming into near-invisible bumps and micro-ledges and coming to comically blunt, immediate standstills, it also has the unfortunate effect of emptying out the landscape.”



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,852 ✭✭✭✭Exclamation Marc


    That's just one opinion (and notably the ONLY negative review on Metacritic of 56 on PS5). I can easily pick out one from the dozens of positive reviews.

    That reviewer clearly hated it and that's their valid opinion. But they're evidently in the minority so I wouldn't be taking it as gospel.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 54,103 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    Oh God, I'm getting flashbacks to the god awful speeder section from shadows of the empire. Awful game.

    I'd more likely come down on eurogamers side of reviews when it comes to opinions than the majority of the reviews that make up metacritic that seem to just give high scores to everything and get caught up in hype cycles.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,852 ✭✭✭✭Exclamation Marc


    Each to their own but to dismiss 43 other positive reviews and 12 mixed reviews as not accurate and claim only one outlet knows what they're talking about is a bit of a mad statement.

    Of course they might speak to you and match your tastes, which would understandably be the most important thing to you, but to infer that its the common consensus is way off.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 54,103 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    No it really isn't. As I said the vast majority of videogame sites that get reviews on metacritic are ****. And they are, unless you put Eurogamer on the same category as journalistic exemplaries like Gamespew, Gamers Heroes, Hey Poor Player, Tierra gamer and SixthAxis. Most of those review sites are just bad.

    I actually find it a very normal thing to find publications and reviews whose opinions align with your own to make informed decisions

    The strange behaviour is to go a long with the metacritic hive mind. Bit of research into what makes up those averages reveals a lot and also reveals you shouldn't put too much stock in them.

    Counter point. Metrogame central who I would class as very good when it comes to reviews gave it an 80. I'll read them and compare it to Eurogamer rather than going with a metacritic consensus.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 31,107 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    While I have no doubt there are plenty of legitimately positive reviews out there - Metro GameCentral gave it an 8/10, and they tend to be pretty trustworthy - I would take one Eurogamer review (given their track record and commitment to well-written and considered games criticism) over 20 of the generic Metacritic-listed outlets that’ll invariably give every AAA blockbuster a glowing review. That’s not to say I’ll always agree with them or that they’re ‘right’, just that I generally appreciate listening to what their writers have to say as EG’s editorial policy tends to allow for more robust criticism. Ditto Rock Paper Shotgun.

    But then a lot of games critics I trust aren’t on the regular review beat anyway, so I hear from them via tweets and podcasts a lot of the time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,852 ✭✭✭✭Exclamation Marc


    "Hive mind"? Give me a break 😂

    I actually find it a very normal thing to find publications and reviews whose opinions align with your own to make informed decisions

    This I completely agree with and don't doubt that it's what important to a gamer.

    But to claim that Eurogamer and Metrogame are the only legitimate sources out there is just silly and a bit crackpot. That's a decision you've made and power to you, but to claim it as fact….? Nah.

    Nothing strange at all about looking at Metacritic for a general vibe on a game. I've loved games that have been pilloried by the masses and hated games that have been lauded. Ultimately I don't care too much about average scores but it can be indicative of a general opinion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,852 ✭✭✭✭Exclamation Marc


    I think that's a perfectly reasonable approach and I have a similar approach to some film reviewers that I vibe with some and don't with others - I'll know that if X likes a film, there's a better chance that I'll like it too.

    But I certainly wouldn't come out and say that reviewer Y's opinions objectively are not relevant and shít all over them just because I don't agree with them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 36,660 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    The numbers ultimately don't matter. It's about finding the reviewers who you trust to tell you why they've given it whatever score they have. While something like metacritic is okay for highlighting the general consensus, that's a general consensus from a pretty wide pool. As subjective as reviewers try to be (or should try to be), you also cannot discount personal preferences weighting their scores. Similarly, some reviewers (like Eurogamer) will often really try to stress-test the game and will weight some things like performance more highly than others.

    I think the more positive reviews also don't negate things like the Speeder issues highlighted by Eurogamer, because it may not have happened as much to those other reviewers, or they weight it as being less of an issue in their overall experience.

    So ultimately, yeah, the numbers don't matter. Always delve into why the reviewers you trust have given it that number.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 54,103 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    But I didn't claim it as a fact? Just that I'd take both over a metacritic number that's got a majority of dodgy publications contributing to it. There's other reviews and publications I'd trust as well. Probably should have said amalgamation than hive mind but whatever, point still stands.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,790 ✭✭✭McFly85


    The thing I hate about metacritic(apart from how important people seem to think it is) is that it encourages overly generous reviews.

    By default, reviews are sorted by score with the highest at the top, and for smaller review outlets that rely on clickthroughs, they are incentivised to be as close to the top of the list as possible.

    You only have to check the 2 top reviewers under outlaws to see that most big releases get great scores from them, which makes them useless as a reviewer, because knowing what they don’t like is as useful as knowing what they do.

    The only thing that should really matter about reviews are finding publications that you typically agree with or at least trust to be honest about any flaws. Having dozens of small review sites gushing about every release doesn’t mean there’s a better chance that you’ll actually like the game.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 54,103 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    Ha, I never even considered that but totally makes sense!



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 31,107 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    One thing I’ll always say though: properly engaging with criticism is to allow and respect alternative opinions, once they come from a genuine, thoughtful and honest place. I used to be wary of IGN, but in recent years I think they’ve improved thanks to new writers and editors. But there’s plenty of other outlets I’d still be cautious about since they seem to exist solely as Metacritic fodder (though, to be fair, maybe the writers themselves don’t see it that way).

    Eurogamer gave Hellblade II five stars. I’d probably give it one star, maybe two if I was feeling generous. But I know the outlet and writer so am happy to accept that review as a genuine one, even if I disagree with the conclusion.

    I do think there’s a real place for games criticism in highlighting new games and hopefully leading you towards something you mightn’t have considered otherwise (or vice versa, in some cases). Plenty of games I mightn’t have discovered had it not been for a positive review somewhere. But I definitely don’t think even the outlets I trust exist solely to echo my own opinion or, worse, preconceived expectation back at me. Sadly, look at any comment section or thread about an ‘outlier’ review and you’ll inevitably see people furious someone dares have an opinion about a game (that the furious soul likely hasn’t even played yet) that doesn’t align with their own. No surprise some outlets seem to exist to give that audience what they want.



  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 11,352 Mod ✭✭✭✭Andrew76


    That popped up in my YT feed a week or so ago for some reason, looking forward to it and will be the first time in ages the Switch has gotten any use. I vaguely remember playing Mystical Ninja on the Snes many moons ago so hoping this rekindles some of those memories.

    Any idea if it'll have a physical release?



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 54,103 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    Couldn't tell you. I say there's a good possibility there will be more at the Nintendo direct today.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,586 ✭✭✭SuperBowserWorld


    Good old Nintendo direct to add a bit of splash and colour and fun to the video game landscape.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 31,107 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    Haven’t had quite as much time as I’d like to play it, but Tactical Breach Wizards really is proving quite exceptional.

    The new powers that unlock have had me cackling a few times as my brain has started considering the gameplay opportunities they afford. There’s one called ‘broom breach’ in particular which took me a minute to figure out how it worked, but then once I copped it realised it had just blown the whole game wide open again.

    Also special shoutout to the levelling system. While not as transformative as the core powers, each upgrade feels meaningful and useful - all the options available are usually pretty tempting. In a world where levelling up often boils down to ‘+4% elemental damage to armoured enemies’, these substantial upgrades are a lot more interesting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,595 ✭✭✭Dave_The_Sheep


    Pete Complete on Youtube does a series of Rimworld playthroughs that prompted my partner to get into it. He's a nearly vanilla experience, some QoL mods occasionally. But he's an excellent storyteller and I heartily recommend giving them a watch. Very entertaining.



  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 11,352 Mod ✭✭✭✭Andrew76


    Shame there was nothing decent shown, unless you like dating household furniture… Wtf was that about. 😂



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,586 ✭✭✭SuperBowserWorld


    Oh crap, it was a partner/indie direct. No first party stuff at all. 😭



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