Vice President Kamala Harris vs Donald Trump 2024

I suspect there is a significantly larger portion who support Israel, not wholly, but support nonetheless.

Biden's policy has been support with criticism. Trumps policy is absolute support.

Since it's a two horse race, these "abandon Harris" supporters would be indirectly enabling Trump's policy.

The thing is that I'm not sure there are enough voters nationally who want to push back on Israel that you could build a presidency-winning coalition out of them, so even if we say it would be better for the Democrats to take the L in this cycle and rebuild themselves into a party of more moral consistency, I don't think that an adjusted Israel policy would be enough of a vote getter. The youth vote may feel quite strongly on it, but I don't know if America as a nation does.

And while the Democratic party attempted to rebuild, dictator Trump might have four years to help render Palestine a smoking crater and leave nothing of the Palestinians but the fillings in their teeth.

If there is a way to address the suffering of the Palestinian people through American politics, I might suggest that it is through down ballot races because while someone like Harris has to attempt to span the chasm on the Israel/Palestine question, arriving at an answer not particularly satisfying to either side, Senators and Congresspeople do not - their views can be much more reflective of the people in their states/districts, and they can enact or stymie legislation regarding Israel with more impunity.

A vote for a third candidate, is still a vote for Trump.

If people want to hurry up the Middle East crisis and eliminate Palestine, vote for Trump or a third party. If you want to delay that, vote Dems.

I agree with your main point about holding the Dems hostage with your vote, however, a presidential race between a man who has gone on record to say Israel needs to hurry up, vs a woman who at least recognises the Palestinian people are in a bad way, AND with the spectre of Project 2025 hanging over this election is not the time to play that card. The time to play that card is in 2026 with the house and senate votes.

In fairness, I suspect Kamala Harris is no fan of Israel or Netanyahu and is secretly on the side of Gaza and the Palestinians. To say so in public though would be a catastrophic blunder in the US election context, so she has little choice but to play along with this 'both sides' nonsense. Also, many Democratic politicians probably share her views on Gaza (some of course have come out and openly said it and accused Israel of genocide).

The fact that the Trump heads are calling her a Communist and Marxist would suggest they don't believe for a moment she has any time for Israel - they weren't making these claims about Biden.

I know more about American politics than the average person in Ireland (and most likely the average American) but I don't know the history of American-Israeli relations. What is stopping Biden, Harris and the Dems in general from forcefully condemning the Israeli response. Israel has the right to defend itself and respond to the attacks last year, but bombing the crap out of Gaza, killing children, and deliberately targeting hospitals and refugee camps is totally wrong and barbaric. What is stopping the Dems from saying this? I get that American-Israeli relations is complex and has a long history, but surely strong criticism of an ally is appropriate when that ally is so clearly in the wrong on a basic humanitarian level.

I don't think anyone is expecting them to win Texas but it's a state that could very much so flip in a few elections time.

Same reason Israel didn't condemn America when they killed 10s of 1000s of innocents.

It's chess not checkers.

Interests, security and more often than not profit.

Hi new poster.

Have you given any thought to the fact that people really don't like your party or the type of people that follow that party?

Of course. The world doesn't work with everyone agreeing. I really don't like the Republican party, or Tories, or all right wing/conservative governments. So of course there are people that don't like Democrats/Labour/etc.

The best assets of the Dims is to say "we're not trump!" but leaving Trump aside there voters are generally fairly extremist in the views they hold as well just more socially acceptable extremes.

What views in your opinion are fairly extremist? What are the socially acceptable extremes? What IS a socially acceptable extreme? If it's socially acceptable, what makes it extreme?

I can't defend a point if I don't know what I'm meant to be defending.

I mean look at the anti Trump/Dems supporters on here and the utter drivel they regurgitate on a daily basis…

Now you're being rude, and posters that post rude posts don't last long around here.

I can see why people would want to vote for a 3rd party!

Care to share then with the rest of the class?

Harris's stance on Israel is completely self serving one, the real kicker they the "Inclusive" party silenced a Palestinian American from speaking at the DNC alla Boards.ie Moderation style. A level of hypocrisy not seen in a while hilarious stuff all things considered! A real own goal!

I don't disagree here. They absolutely should have had a Palestinian Speaker there. At least there was calls for a ceasefire, which I don't remember from any other convention.

Refresh my memory, can you remember the name of the Palestinian Americans that spoke at the RNC? I can't for the life of me remember who that was.

You seem to have been a lurker here for quite a while if you can comment on boards.ie moderation. Care to introduce yourself? Which way would your political allegiance lie yourself?

The football match I'm watching is incredibly boring…

You're right to say that it won't happen. Not only would it be a technical impossibility at this point, but also maybe half of Trump's voter base would be apoplectic and many would pull their vote. It would be a risky proposition, to say the least, to think that if, say, Nikki Haley got parachuted in, all these supposed disenfranchised moderate Republicans would come back into the mix. Besides, if they're out there, their influence wasn't really felt in the Republican primary.

In Trumpland, there are two parties. Not the Democrats and Republicans, but MAGA and the 'Uniparty', ie an alliance of Democrats and RINOs. They won't tolerate anyone but Trump.

You seen Haley's numbers with GOP voters? She is not liked whatsoever and never really was. They can win with Trump or get massacred with Haley. Although, even if Trump was to pop his clogs which is the only way he drops out, then it would be Vance for better or more likely worse.

it has been now shown by Midas Touch Network that the guy who claimed he would vote for trump is a known Trump supporter. They found his twitter account with loads of posts in support of trump.

Was this the first ever speech you’ve watched from any kind of politician in America?