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  • Administrators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,557 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    People on this thread have repeatedly called for enforcement of the already existing rules. It is a site rule to post in a civil manner, and we also have a swear filter.

    After feedback on this thread I started applying the rules. The posts that were warned were deemed to be uncivil and trying to get around the swear filter.

    You haven't been sitebanned on points since no need to worry about what "might have been". Moderators use their discretion, all the time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,901 ✭✭✭thomas 123




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,997 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,901 ✭✭✭thomas 123


    what’s soapboxing then in relation to what the other poster is talking about? Is it like having an opinion? Because it’s mad to me that someone discussing a topic they have an interest in wouldn’t have some sort of agenda or stake in the conversation - otherwise why the hell would they be there in the first place?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,606 ✭✭✭nachouser


    Honestly, do the new accounts asking questions and the old accounts airing grievances add anything useful to the thread? Dragging up old grudges on this thread is pointless. Let mods do their unpaid job and get on with it and we should all get over it. Don't break the rules and you won't get modded.



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  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Help & Feedback Category Moderators Posts: 26,063 CMod ✭✭✭✭Spear


    It lasts until the points expire.

    We use the default Vanilla settings, so three active warning points gets your account restricted (shows avatar jailbars on mobile, can't start new threads etc), and at 5 active warning points the account is sitebanned until they expire.

    https://success.vanillaforums.com/kb/articles/180-community-rules-warnings



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,193 ✭✭✭Yvonne007


    I've just been given a warning for speaking about how another poster had blatently lied in a thread.

    It was an attack the post not the poster warning.

    I'm not quite sure how you can attack the post without being at least slightly derogatory against the person who wrote it. I get full on personal abuse is out of line, but saying that consistent lying makes someone look silly surely doesn't constitute a personal attack?

    If that's against the rules, fair enough, but it is inconsistently applied.

    Any of the American politics threads in the Current Affairs section would have every contributer banned.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,029 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    I see so vanilla automatic, is this good or bad? How do posters and mods feel? Can it be appealed, if so how?

    Sorry Spear has become my AMA 😉😊



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 6,920 Mod ✭✭✭✭Irish Aris


    I see it as a different approach to the yellow and red cards we used to have.

    I have seen such warnings with points in the DRP.

    2025 gigs: Selofan, Alison Moyet, Wardruna, Gavin Friday, Orla Gartland, The Courettes, Nine Inch Nails, Rhiannon Giddens, New Purple Celebration, Nova Twins



  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Help & Feedback Category Moderators Posts: 26,063 CMod ✭✭✭✭Spear


    At level 3 at least, they can still be appealed on DRP, though myself and Shield will need to start the thread for them to accommodate it.

    Once sitebanned, there's nothing they can do with their main account directly. They can still email the hello@boards.ie address, or there's been a few who've created a second account to appeal. There's no prison forum that would have allowed this in the past, and admins have been somewhat tolerant of new accounts for the sake of appealing only.



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  • Administrators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,557 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    5 points results in an automatic siteban. You get plenty of warning and opportunity to change your post my style before you accumulate enough for a siteban.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 20,608 Mod ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    That's all fair enough but not everyone will have read this thread and know that was mentioned. I have read it and didn't realise this was being implemented.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,378 ✭✭✭archfi


    Any of the American politics threads in the Current Affairs section would have every contributer banned.
    

    Have to agree with this, the US threads in CA are littered with personal attacks since each of those threads started.

    A thing isn't what it says it is.

    A thing is what it does.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 852 ✭✭✭gossamerfabric


    Jesus Christ!(sic): Leviticus, the most old testament of the old testament books in the Bible where a vengeful God would smite you for just about anything and the poster is using it to push an open-borders agenda.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,997 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,029 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    Is there a general mod announcement thread or is that only in the mod cave @Spear



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 20,608 Mod ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    I think the swear filter should just be abandoned, casual cursing is part of our vocabulary. I find it a bit schoolmarmish to warn posters for this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,816 ✭✭✭TheChrisD


    To retroactively apply a new moderation standard is a bit of a low-blow though, especially if the posts are somewhat dated and/or have been ignored under previous criteria.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,606 ✭✭✭nachouser


    Very demanding thread now;-)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,555 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Honestly the fact that swearing is one of the things being picked up, doesn't feel like it's addressing concerns at all. I don't believe anyone on thread was concerned about radical swearing as an issue. The fact that it seemed to outright surprise @awec did make me laugh though. I get that there's an element of stress trying to work out how to approach some kind of a different boards though so appreciate that this is something you're working out.



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  • Administrators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,557 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    I went back to check the warnings given the other day because I couldn't remember them. There were 3 posts relevant to this discussion. All were given zero points, so an instruction/request rather than a warning. All were for being uncivil. And yes, the language used in those posts was uncivil and unnecessarily aggressive.

    A notice at the end of the thread told posters to have a look through the thread to see what types of posts would be clamped down on. Posters asked for extra moderators in CA to help keep some control. People have overwhelming voted for there to be a clamp down on bickering, aggressive posting, derailing threads. Aggressive language and aggressive language directed at another poster falls under this. Posters are now aware to try to be more civil in their replies. I would say a huge majority of CA posters saw that thread and saw the notice at the end of it.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Aggressive language directed at another poster…yeah, absolutely rightly shouldn't be allowed. Aggressive language per se…I'm not so sure really. Did people really vote overwhelmingly for this? Plus, how is "bickering" being defined. You have used the term in a warning on this thread. Yeah, OK these posts may have been off-topic in a feedback thread, but I'm not sure they were "bickering".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,278 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    I am assuming it's for a response to the poster who has blatantly lied about multiple studies in the past few days.

    Then when called out says it was a mistake.

    I would think blatantly posting lies to rile people up would be more deserving of mod action myself.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 20,608 Mod ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    I've had a look at all the posts that were warned for swearing, none of them used it to direct aggressive language towards another poster (in my opinion). It was simply the colloquial use we're all familiar with.

    Now, if that's the new standard of moderation we're all going to have to adapt to it, but with the shortage of moderators that's been discussed here is this new style of moderation sustainable? All the extra reports and mod time required to follow this up seems a tad redundant to me. And who is going to report a post because someone used a variant of a word to bypass the swear filter?

    Not everyone reads or posts in CA either, so a warning there isn't of much use to them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,851 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    I didn't even know there was a new standard of moderation on swear words until I accidentally came across this thread.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    I certainly don't recall any overwhelming vote of any sort, or any vote at all for that matter. What's this all about?

    What gets posters riled is inconsistent and biased (BBOC uses the term discretion) moderation.

    Debating any issue will inevitably result in a certain level of dispute (bickering if you wont) and that is surely fine, discussing points, learning a bit, changing views.

    What is proposed above is more 'choose you own expletive' moderation, not less moderation as the site needs.

    We have too much over moderation and I've instanced it above. We have posters engaging civilly and being warned and banned because moderators accuse them of being off topic, in their opinion (ie discretion or bias). We have long lists containing many ordinary decent posters thread banned off threads, total opposite of the basic concept of boards. This type of moderation is a failure.

    We have a voluntary moderation group that seem to find it impossible to simply say they made a mistake, apologise etc. Instead they circle the wagons, palm posters off with excuses and dig ever deeper holes.

    I and I'm sure the vast majority appreciate the work that moderators put in but that doesn't justify incompetence, bias and abuse of those positions.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 20,608 Mod ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    One poster did suggest that swearing should be moderated but I don't recall it getting much traction.

    I can't remember who it was and there's no way to search for it apart from the reading the thread from the start.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,837 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Saying another poster who is not even posting here is lying on a thread somewhere is so unfair , those that do this sort of thing are exactly the posters that should be sanctioned I think .

    It's not be very fair to be saying that about a poster here on this thread especially when they are not here to defend themselves

    Notice these posters using this feedback thread to air grievances about petty squabbles and every warning they get that they think they shouldn't .

    There is no hope of improving or suggesting improvements if people that petty are allowed to rail continually on feedback .



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 83 ✭✭JohnJoFitz


    I got thread-banned for calling out that absolute spoofer. You were doing plenty of petty squabbling in this thread yourself after a poster asked you a simple question.



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