HVO100 diesel fuel.

there'll be no ice ban in 2035, the e.u are dreaming. There is no ICE ban anyway as long as cars run on synthetics or the likes of hvO. Again, not likely to happen. The E.U car companies will still have to make IcE cars for the rest of the World anyway.

Cars in general have got too expensive, EV are too limited with crap trade in values, so bad in fact I had to give my EV back to the finance company under the half rule because no one would accept it as trade in.

Anyway, a lot of people quite rightly aren't willing to shell out 40+ k for a new car EV or not but especially EV with all the limitations, why should they ? their ICE car does what they want for a price they want, can go anywhere, any time and fill up in just a few mins.

With the discovery of how to greatly increase efficiency at extracting Co2 from sea water with the added bonus of Hydrogen being a by product I wonder can this greatly increase the production volume of E-Fuels considering the 2 key ingredients are Co2 and Hydrogen ?

Electrics may need little servicing but as time goes by range will be lost and they are not high range cars to begin with with the disadvantage of needing a lot longer to charge.

Battery production is very toxic and not environmentally friendly and the E.U are dreaming if they don't think this will come back to bit them in the years to come.

Anyway, for now, the Government should be trying to encourage people to switch from Diesel to HVo and not just be the greedy bast1rds that they are.

Battery production is not environmentally friendly but just like diesel the E.U concentrate on Co2, Electric cars is more of a pipe dream to the tech heads who love tech and want to see the world abandon ICE cars, just tell me how that's going to happen ? no one wants them as it is, how is the grid going to support it ? how big will the charging queues be for those with no home charging ? what happens the auto industry when few people want to buy these limited range slow charging cars ?

Producing parts for ICE cars might be the only thing keeping the Auto industries head above water if the ban actually does go ahead but it's already been watered down, Germany can keep ICE cars once they run on e-fuel, by then it will be a blend of e-fuel and petrol etc. Italy, Poland, Bulgaria and the Czech Republic also can keep ICE once they run on e-fuel.

I saw nowhere that says manufacturers are to stop making parts for ICE cars ? there's plenty of aftermarket parts anyway.

11 years time comes the so called ICE ban, what's going to happen then, the car manufacturers will suddenly cut the cost of electric cars ? the grid will what, magically be able to supply all the power ? and people will accept waiting around at chargers, do you really think that's going to happen ? I did it for 10 years and I won't be doing it again in a hurry that's for sure !

You can't force people to do what they don't want to do, the E.U is full of ****, always chopping and changing and this is no different, come back to me in 2035 and we'll see then.

Yeah and if the cost of petrol and diesel go down at the pumps the Government will jump at the opportunity for a big tax increase, they already said carbon tax is going to go up but yet there is no viable alternative to petrol or diesel , just a money making racket.

All they have to do is reduce the tax on HVO to incentivise people into switching.

Does anyone know if HVO is still available in Tinryland, Carlow at the service station ? it was available at the lorry fill up pumps but they still don't sell it at the car pumps.

So your argument is forget about the environmental effects of battery production because petrol and diesel is bad ! lol.

So in other words, I love electric cars and everyone should drive one because I drive one and want to see everyone drive and EV too even though they're just as bad for the environment ! MAO.

We all know that but the E.U again, interfering in areas where these politicians know little about just for the sake of been seen to be green and this is where electric cars will end up another mistake unless they can come up with a viable way to make liquid fuels because there simply is nothing to make the majority of people want to buy an EV, especially those with no place to charge their EV at home and those not willing to buy new cars are not going to buy new EV or 2nd hand ev with degraded batteries of facing potential huge bills if something goes wrong out of warranty. Cars in general have gone way too expensive and manufacturers are deliberately producing bigger more expensive cars filled with expensive tech abandoning the small cheap car market. I won't be buying a new car for a very long time to come again if ever.

Poland, Germany and France have already secured indefinite extension to the ICE ban but there are certain people in Government here who are hell bent on seeing everyone abandon their cars and move to public transport and leave the country to move to the big towns and cities.

They have destroyed Rural Ireland by getting rid of the post offices in the rural areas, as a result their little shops closed because people had to go into the bigger town wasting fuel to get to a post office and shopped there instead.

Thousands of pubs are gone forever half of them falling in disrepair now partly because of the price of Alcohol from all the tax. A lot of rural areas who once had thriving pubs now have nowhere to socialise.

All this is probably to make living in the country far less attractive so people won't want to live there.

Anyway, at the end of the day if HVO can be made why not use it if it means it's a lot cleaner ?

Synthetic blends will be added to fuel in the future, more and more % will be added as time goes on.

There are hundreds of millions of people who drive on holidays and go to different countries by car and none of them are going to do this kind of driving in an EV, those who do are very dedicated but the majority won't do this.

Inevitably the car manufacturers can only make cars that people want to buy of they go bust, if they only make EV and EV does not meet the needs of people then they simply can't survive and will have to close forever but maybe this is the objective to finally rid the world of cars ? personal transport ?

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/03/24/cars/eu-combustion-engine-debate-climate-intl/index.html

By the time 2035 comes it will be watered down again, this was all implemented by green agendas in the first place and was never going to stick, at this point in time there is no viable alternative to liquid fuels that gives people what they want and need.

By the way, the CNN article was just the first one I could find.

If the ban was to go ahead then the European Auto industry would be ruined but there are a lot of people who think this would be a very good idea too.