Irish Property Market chat II - *read mod note post #1 before posting*

At least people will have a roof over their head ghetto or no ghetto which is the worst of 2 evils housing cant be built quick enough 4 to 1 ratio with the increase in population vs new housing and no matter how this is dealt with we are going to have areas that have anti social issues or in your words some form a ghetto as has always been the case so there is no escaping that we may as well do it at a cheaper price point and at a quicker pace to quell this issue. The ballymun flats and other areas like Kilbarrack etc could of worked if proper policing and enforcement of rules as in if you mess around you get phucked out and no more social housing for you and you can hit the street we need more stick here not carrot. The current way we are dealing with it isn't working and has not worked for the last decade. When we were building housing and adequate social housing to meet the population needs things were a lot better but as pointed out we still had areas where you wouldn't dare walk down the street and now we cannot build to scale needed so modular homes is an option that really needs to be contemplated.

There you go, and that's just one example.

Many jobs have all sorts of contractual conditions to prevent conflicts of interest. The days of brown envelopes are long gone. Today's politician seemingly uses his position to push for policy that will fatten his wallet. Of course, it would help if political and civil servant positions were consistently NOT filled by the most avaricious, self serving and worthless people in Ireland….

Completely agree with this.

YEs. I think that SF will never see power for this very reason. Working class people are feeling the brunt of the immigration policies of the state, and no one who is not wearing ideological blinkers can help but see that SF are just another coven of globalists. Even if SF were to achieve power, nothing would really change.

For a good example of what could happen here, let's look over to the UK. Labour has just achieved a majority in the House of Parliament, and to absolutely no one's surprise, they have continued with the policies that the Tories followed for 14 years. Does this mean that in 5 years, the UK electorate will vote in the Tories again under the mistaken belief that they will be different?

I'm not really of the opinion that voting will change much as the apparatus of the state is now replete with globalist ideologues. However, if a party that is a genuine opposition to this system rises, then we will know all about it because a genuine threat to the grift will be met a near psychotic reaction from the established media and persons of power. Look at how Trump or Farage have been treated (not a fan of either of them), and neither of them are radicles.

Interesting times.

EDIT: That was a bit of a rant, sorry :)

HTF do you police getto's no cou try has managed. With national type parties now targeting these area there is not a hope they can be policed with out a heavy ha d type law enforcement. It very unfair on ordinary people to force them into that situation.

Ya maybe a roof over there head but anytime they look for a job they will be last in the que. So they become anti government and establishment.

IMO the housing situation is improving fast and we will see a more normalised housing inflation rate over the next while. Yes we are seeing 5+% at present but as house numbers come on stream over the next 18 months housing inflation will normalised

They are generally no buying complete estates. AHB are carrying development/redevelopment but these are mainly cost rentals or affordable housing. Generally AHB are not doing social housing

You are young, you will see what I mean in 20 years time. I came from a rural background where people form LA housing were not stigmatised, but in large urban areas the issue with gettoisation is a serious issue and policing will not solve the issue

Thanks for the compliment but I am in my early 50's. The vast majority of these people are the most decent, hard working nicest people you will ever meet.

Deal with the anti social issues and the profile of any area will improve.

It would be 80% owned by the council as they are the landlords for the cost rental portion also.

If you mean evicting tenants who break the rules in council housing, the first question is, where would you evict them to?

I dont disagree with you that its a tiny minority that cause the majority of the problems.

And I think if people were threatened with being moved from say Dublin to Mayo because they were consitent trouble causers and living in social housing, that threat would be a real deterrent.

But the houses dont exist to move people into; that's the first practical problem with that approach.

Replacing benefits with food/clothes vouchers might be another option. No spending social welfare as you choose, basically, but without taking away the necessities for people to live.

But no govt in ireland is anywhere near that stance. FG is as right wing as we get here and FG would be a centre left party in the UK.

The houses could be found. We are supplying modular homes for the refugees are we not?