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Russia-Ukraine War

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,625 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    There is footage (though debatable) of a Challenger two getting destroyed yesterday. Some of the usual pro UAF accounts say it's a Challenger others 2A5 Leopard

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 715 ✭✭✭Avatar in the Post


    Putin is simply building his next prisoner exchange cohort.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,949 ✭✭✭Hande hoche!


    The exception being the storm shadow missiles. Which is a shortcoming of sorts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,033 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    See now you are just projecting what you yourself are doing onto others

    Do you have anything constructive to reply about the post you quoted which discussed issues of logistics or do you want to continue attacking other posters whose point you might not agree with but don’t seem to have the debating capacity to counter and instead go on a personal attack



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 715 ✭✭✭Avatar in the Post


    That's what I was alluding to. I didn't see where these were continuing to be excluded. SMH if so.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,949 ✭✭✭Hande hoche!


    It seems a pointless red line. Still hopefully given time….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,064 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Deafening silence from the "I just want this to end" crowd. Haven't come across any of them calling for Russia to give up it's land in exchange for peace. Odd that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,665 ✭✭✭✭josip


    That doesn't make sense to me. Rylsk is at the end of a spur.

    https://liveuamap.com/

    While Lgov has a through-line, the UAF already have control over that line further south.

    They would have to get as far as Kursk before they start to impact any other rail routes.

    Most/all of their equipment and resources will be coming from the east.

    As the Guardian says today, most of the land that Ukraine is occupying has little strategic value in itself. It only becomes valuable if the Russians try to oust them.

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    Double post



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,552 ✭✭✭Virgil°


    They haven't been handed their new scripts yet. Or maybe they're keeping their heads down in case they get sent to catch HIMARs rounds in Kursk.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,643 ✭✭✭rogber


    Also waiting for people like Wagenknecht in Germany, Wallace at home, useful idiots like Roger Waters to come out with statements like "Russia should simply withdraw from Kursk, fighting will only prolong the suffering of Russians and serve the interests of warmongers".

    Yet Wagenknecht for one has the absolute nerve to call the invasion a "dangerous escalation", no longer even pretending not to be pro Russian



  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 81,162 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sephiroth_dude


    Mod

    AndyBoBandy I deleted your post, please don't advocate for war crimes to happen, for either side, that goes for everyone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,351 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    Collecting political prisoners is almost an industry over there it seems. I've a friend, living in China for close on 20 years now, married to a Russian and with a few kids… you'd be absolutely insane to pop over to the motherland for a visit. Going by his social media posts he's been there in the past year visiting in laws… not a hope in hell I'd take the risk.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,564 ✭✭✭keeponhurling


    Your point about Kursk having little strategic value is interesting.

    I initially thought the Russians were just taken by surprise, and given they were already stretched needed time to react.

    But as time goes on, maybe that is the case. Maybe they are thinking "go ahead, just take Kursk". It doesn't feel like they are doing everything they can to retake the ground. But maybe I'm giving them too much credit here.

    Otherwise it would seem that the Russian military is really on the floor here and it will be very hard for them to sustain a hot war of this intensity for much longer. Let alone to restore the borders of Peter the Great's time, or whoever Putin is trying to emulate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,643 ✭✭✭rogber


    Yes, wouldn't go near the place for as long as these maniacs are in charge, any foreigner is potential pawn in a future prisoner swap game



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 519 ✭✭✭SoapMcTavish


    https://www.rte.ie/news/2024/0815/1465055-ukraine-russia/

    "Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said he met top officials to discuss the humanitarian situation and establish a military commandant's offices "if needed" in an occupied area that Kyiv said exceeds 1,000sq/km."

    Will Russia let the UN in ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,266 ✭✭✭amandstu


    As well as being completely repugnant .

    I hope no one will defend what was suggested and it would be nice if the poster of that trash was to have a complete change of heart and request that their post be deleted .

    Edit I hadn't seen that the mods have deleted that post now....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 852 ✭✭✭junkyarddog


    The Ukrainians are doing the exact opposite of what the russians would do to them.

    Remarkable really,considering.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,665 ✭✭✭✭josip


    I should clarify my original post that parts of Kursk Oblast have little strategic value. Kursk city would have considerable strategic value, but I can't see the Ukrainian offensive going that far. It would be very exposed on both flanks, their supply chains would be vulnerable and the manpower required to surround and capture a city of half a million would be well beyond UAF capabilities at the moment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,033 ✭✭✭thatsdaft




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,266 ✭✭✭amandstu


    If Ukraine can keep a sizeable amount of Russian territory (and threaten a repeat elsewhere) I wonder how this will affect Donny VS 's plan to stop the war in 24 hours if he gets in?

    Should he be asked by one of his suck it in "interviewers" if his plan for Ukraine is still viable ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,167 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    I reckon this was planned with a view that Donald would be back in come November and if Ukraine are forced into negotiations this would be a good bargaining chip.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,520 ✭✭✭zv2


    Could we run a temporary Luas line up the middle of the road there?

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,033 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    In a parallel timeline

    Where US invaded Mexico (oh I don’t know Nazi gangs or something) three years ago, and three years later Mexican army is rolling from town to town inside Arizona even tho an equal amount of land in Baja California state is occupied still

    Would anyone call that a stategic success for the perpetrators of such a silly war?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,345 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    It also brought Ukraine back to the front pages in a big way which is bad for Trump as the majority of Americans are for supporting Ukraine. His stance is a vote loser.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 715 ✭✭✭Avatar in the Post


    Regardless of strategic value. To think Russia being successfully invaded is in anyway not a disaster, foremost for Putin, is to not know much about Putin and by extension, Russia.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Seems bold tbh, I'd have wanted to go in a liberated Russian tank to sow paranoia and chaos inside russia.

    Or if I may be so bold, go one further and charge in in one of those venerated Ukrainian tractors



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,266 ✭✭✭amandstu


    I heard that too ,maybe on the radio.

    Time to pin the Sexual Predator in Chief to the collar and get his "thoughts" on the situation and ask has he been in contact with his Russian buddies recently?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,033 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    The Ukrainian Armed Forces have captured 82 settlements and moved in 1,150 km² and 35 km in depth since the beginning of Ukraine’s incursion into the Kursk region in Russia.

    This was reported by Oleksandr Syrskyi, the Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine 



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  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 14,568 Mod ✭✭✭✭johnnyskeleton


    For context, this is what I said a week ago today:

    My view then, and also my view now, is that Ukraine attacked Russia where Russia was weak, that they may dig in but that their primary focus is on causing as much damage to the Russian military as possible, with secondary goals of redicting troops from elsewhere, cutting logistics and proving that they can use US vehicles on Russian soil without nuclear retaliation.

    To expand on this, at the end of the day, in a war you have to fight somewhere. Sooner or later two armies will confront each other directly in a kinetic exchange. If that is inevitable, then you have to accept that, embrace it, and try to create conditions where your army is at an advantage, the other army is at a disadvantage or, as here, both.

    Are they trying to take and hold territory - yes, but only insofar as it provides them with tactical/operational advantages. Is this being done to improve their negotiating strength - no, at least not directly. Indirectly, Ukraine's negotiating strength is improved when they defeat Russia on the battlefield or in other key areas such as economic / diplomatic pressure. Ukraine simply isn't interested in ceeding territory to Russia, so the suggestion that is often made (not sure if you are directly making it or not) that by taking Kursk they can trade it off for say Kherson and let Russia take Donbas and Crimea is not based in reality.

    Ukraine have no interest in any negotiations that don't involve the complete withdrawal of Russian troops. That could only change if they are defeated on the battlefield and even then it is not guaranteed because conceding territory to Russia could result in the political collapse of the Ukrainian state.

    The bottom line, as I've said before, is that to understand what is happening you shouldn't look at the dog in the fight, but rather the fight in the dog. Russia may have a larger military on paper, and it unquestionably has a larger economy than Ukraine. But for Ukraine the fight is existential, whereas, despite Putin's assertions to the contrary, it is a war of choice for Russia. Ukraine have no option but to fight, whereas Russia do.

    So if you are, meaning no disrespect to you personally, looking at the war as the Russians would like you to do, being that the bigger side will always win and the smaller side must make concessions, its easy to fall into the trap of thinking that the Ukranians look at it from that point of view as well, and in that context, taking a piece of Russia to improve the negotiating position makes sense.

    But I would suggest that the correct way of looking at this is that Ukraine has the same options that faced Kyle Rees and Sarah Conor - either they stop the terminator or they will die. It cannot be bargained with, it doesn't feel pity or remorse. Ukraine has to fight. In that context, the benefits of this operation are manifest and the downside risks were moderate but acceptable. As it turned out, it has worked out very well so far, and there has been almost no downside. It was never intended as a stunt or as a bargaining chip, but as a further step towards defeating Russia. Long may that continue.



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