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Vice President Kamala Harris vs Donald Trump 2024

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  • #5102
    duploelabs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,020 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    Nothing to see here

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_United_States%E2%80%93Saudi_Arabia_arms_deal#%3A%7E%3Atext%3DOn_May_20%2C_2017%2C_U.S.%2C%24350_billion_over_10_years.?wprov=sfla1
    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122501594#Comment_122501594


  • #5103
    johnny_ultimate
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 30,788 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    I think the Biden administration support for the Israeli government's massacre of Gaza is a historic disgrace that has rightly ruined Biden's legacy and will be documented in the history books as one of the great moral failures of contemporary times.

    I also have no doubt whatsoever another Trump administration would be worse again when it comes to unfettered, unlimited support for Israel. A Harris administration almost certainly will keep the horrendous status quo in place - the Democrats have failed spectacularly in stopping the Israeli government's excess, and in fact have actively supported it, all while pretending to care about Palestinian lives with countless toothless statements urging restraint and a ceasefire (when they could stop the flow of weapons with a phone call if they wanted to). But based on Trump's actions first time around, I'm horrified even thinking how much worse he could make an already catastrophic situation.



  • #5104
    Quin_Dub
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122502012#Comment_122502012

    Don't disagree , but it's largely coincidental that Biden was in Office when this occurred . It doesn't matter who was in the WH when Hamas attacked , the response would have been at least the same and potentially worse under anyone else.

    So , yes US/Israel policy is appalling and always has been but it's not something that the use of your vote in November will influence for the better.

    Frankly the online call outs against Biden/Harris on this issue in terms of the Election is nothing more than a Trojan horse for Trump.

    If he were to win in November and hostilities are still ongoing , Trump would make it much worse and give Netanyahu the green light to expand his battlefronts into the West-bank and Lebanon and anywhere else he fancied. He'd also approve Israel actively engaging with Iran.

    Peace in the Middle-East would not be helped by putting Trump back in office.



  • #5105
    Loafing Oaf
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122501854#Comment_122501854

    Apparently this is a case of

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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122501594#Comment_122501594

    So he's been hammering Biden & Harris for their inadequate support of Israel, presumably in a bid to win over centrist voters, especially Jewish ones.

    But when he gets into office he's going to turn around and pull the rug from under Netanyahu, absolutely no question…



  • #5106
    paddyisreal
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    All the posts here ignore one simple fact. Trump is America first and he doesn't give a **** about anywhere else. He will invoke an isolationist policy if he gets back in the same as his previous four years. He will pull funding for the Ukraine and and he will do something similar with Israel if the **** hits the Fan. He sure as hell won't give them 58 billion without something in return unlike Joe and co.



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  • #5107
    paddyisreal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,728 ✭✭✭paddyisreal


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122502012#Comment_122502012

    How could trump be worse ??? I love to see how because as far as I can see the democrats are proping up an israelian nutjob hellbent on all our war. It's as bad as it can be and all under the democrats of Biden/harris



  • #5108
    paddyisreal
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122502012#Comment_122502012

    Massive difference between an arms deal and direct funding



  • #5109
    RickBlaine
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122502087#Comment_122502087

    Trump isn't America first. Trump is Trump first. America First is just the messaging he is using to get power.



  • #5110
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,967 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122502133#Comment_122502133

    Exactly and the Adelsons are one of his biggest campaign contributors and they will want something in return for the countless millions they have given him.

    And what they want is the West-bank for Israel and he will give it to them if given the chance.



  • #5111
    Overheal
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122502087#Comment_122502087

    nothing America First about trying to disband NATO, dismantle our military, make us unable to protect our global spanning economy, giving CIA/NSA spy lists to Russia, hoarding national secrets and sharing them with anyone who opened the door to the pool closet, or staging a coup against the constitution, etc etc etc



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  • #5112
    paddyisreal
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122502206#Comment_122502206

    But sure Israel are doing what they want in the west bank under Biden/Harris watch at the moment. As I said how can it get worse ? This shitshow was all facilitated by Biden/Harris. But sure keep on ignoring the facts and tell yourself trump will be worse. He couldn't be...



  • #5113
    paddyisreal
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122502246#Comment_122502246

    Trump has a valid point about NATO. Europe needs to stand on its own two feet again instead of relying on the states to protect us. I'm amazed you don't see this. The EU needs to increase it's spending on defence massively



  • #5114
    eightieschewbaccy
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122502292#Comment_122502292

    Defence spending has actually been going up since Obama in the EU but Trump using that as an excuse to threaten allies with Russia invading them is absolute insanity.



  • #5115
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122502269#Comment_122502269

    Again, for the umpteenth time:

    Isreal. Policy. Will. Not. Change. Regarless. Of. Who. Wins.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • #5116
    Economics101
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,321 ✭✭✭Economics101


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122502292#Comment_122502292

    Have you not noticed that Military spending among Eurioean NATO members has been increasing towards (and in some cases well beyond) the 2% target?

    When you say that the EU needs to increase its defence spending, you reveal your ignorance: Defence spending is a National government responsibility, not an EU one (or evne a NATO one, as the 2% target is just an agreed objective among sovreign members)



  • #5117
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122502292#Comment_122502292

    How is that going to protect the US is Putin launces nukes?

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • #5118
    johnny_ultimate
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122502077#Comment_122502077

    I would agree in the current circumstances a Harris win is unlikely to shift the needle significantly, while a Trump win will intensify the situation. But I don't believe in letting the Democrats off the hook on this either - I think they need to be challenged on this at every single opportunity, as unlike the Republicans there is at least opposition within their own party and base to the unfolding humanitarian catastrophe and violence. The severity of the situation in Gaza and beyond is disgraceful enough that it goes far beyond the sentiment I sometimes see to 'just hold your nose on this one and keep quiet until November'. It is a moral failure of its own to just let it slide because Harris is better than Trump, and the Democrats should never be immune to criticism on the basis that said criticism could benefit the opposition.

    Lord knows there's a lot of areas where the Dems should be challenged relentlessly, from Gaza to healthcare. There'll always be a worse Republican alternative, so the Dem party needs to be reformed and contested until they do better. Otherwise the status quo continues. The Dems have an awful habit of saying 'well, if you vote us in for a second term we'll do better' (see abortion rights or Supreme Court reform currently) - which in many ways is an acknowledgement that they often fail to deliver. The good stuff is always around the corner, even when they actually hold office.



  • #5119
    Quin_Dub
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122502269#Comment_122502269

    If we agree to disagree that he won't be worse can we accept that at a minimum he wouldn't be any better?

    Which is the kind of the point that everyone is making.

    US/Israel policy is f*cking awful and always has been, picking a "side" in a US election to penalise one side or the other for what they did/did not do in Israel is delusional at best.

    And choosing to penalise Biden/Harris for Israel resulting in allowing Trump back into office would be a classic case of cutting off your nose in spite of your face.

    Trump would potentially not do anything worse than them in Israel but he sure as hell would be a lot worse in multiple other ways…



  • #5120
    quokula
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,829 ✭✭✭quokula


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122502352#Comment_122502352

    Trump moved the US embassy to Jerusalem in an enormously provocative move that was a huge win for Netanyahu. The republicans invited Netanyahu over to the US just a couple of weeks ago to give him the opportunity to grandstand and show the public back in Israel that he still has allies in high places, while many democrats boycotted the event. Harris didn't boycott but she did explicitly speak about Gazan civilians and she has generally been more critical of Israel than Biden has ever been, never mind the far more pro-Israel Republican side of the house.

    Will policy change in a major way? No. But the words of the President do matter, they get broadcast in Israel which is still nominally a democracy and Netanyahu's continued war crimes, mass murder and genocidal intent are harder to execute with such vigor when there are more dissenting voices to contend with.



  • #5121
    Quin_Dub
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122502409#Comment_122502409

    And therein lies the ultimate failing of a 2 party system.

    100% agree that they need to be held accountable for decisions made , but fundamentally it's a binary choice at the ballot box.

    So do you hold their feet to the fire on a subject where they are exactly the same (if slightly less bloodthirsty) than the other side , which in turn potentially gives power to the other side that are much much worse on a whole host of other issues?



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  • #5122
    Overheal
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122502292#Comment_122502292

    😂

    I'm not amazed you don't see what a disaster that would be for the economy of the entire western hemisphere.



  • #5123
    johnny_ultimate
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 30,788 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122502473#Comment_122502473

    Well we are certainly in agreement here - the binary option is what it all comes back to, and you just need to look at the various factions vying for influence and control within both parties to see how such a system is fundamentally broken. That's before you even get into the sheer amount of dark money and powerful institutions openly bending democracy to their ideological will.

    In an ideal world, we'd be looking at fundamental constitutional and electoral reform with the US to allow true plurality and democratic choice, rather than the two-party system that exists now (that creates so much frustration, disilliusionment and division even within the parties). But as things stand, it's no surprise that many activists and Dem supporters fight for change within the system and for their voices to be heard by those currently in power.



  • #5124
    paddyisreal
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122502361#Comment_122502361

    Yes we all know the EU doesn't decide each countries budgets. Thanks for that.



  • #5125
    paddyisreal
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122502469#Comment_122502469

    Yes the dissenting democrat voices which gave israel another 20 billion today.



  • #5126
    Overheal
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122502590#Comment_122502590

    You're just talking again about money that was rammed through by Republicans, who held Ukraine up as hostage for a king's ransom to be sent to Israel.

    You act like Trump would cut off Israel (LOL) yet if Biden didn't fulfill the obligations of the aid ransom he signed into law so that Ukraine would still have a fighting chance against Russia right now, Republicans would immediately move to impeach him for withholding aid to Israel. You don't even see the hypocrisy there: MAGA impeaching Biden for holding up aid to Israel, but they're gonna hold up aid to Israel? Give over.

    https://thehill.com/homenews/4655009-republican-planning-impeachment-articles-against-biden-israel-weapons/



  • #5127
    paddyisreal
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122502427#Comment_122502427

    Fair enough analysis. My own opinion is that Harris/Biden have facilitated that israelian nutjob for the last year. Besides Trump letting him go nuclear, I can't see how he could be any worse. Anyway, with china/Russia rolling in behind Iran this is going to be the defining issue in this election.



  • #5128
    Overheal
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122502663#Comment_122502663

    "Besides Trump letting him go nuclear, I can't see how he could be any worse."

    ….



  • #5129
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,967 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    More bad news for Trump and his "arguments" against Harris.

    Inflation Drops to Lowest Level in More Than 3 Years

    Inflation in the U.S. reached its lowest point in more than three years, as the overall inflation was 2.9 percent in July.

    According to a report released by the U.S. Labor Department on Wednesday, consumer prices increased by just 0.2 percent from June to July, following a slight decrease the previous month for the first time in four years. Year-over-year, prices climbed by 2.9 percent, down from 3 percent in June, marking the mildest annual inflation rate since March 2021.

    Then there is this.

    U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) released operational statistics today for June 2024, which show a significant decline in migrant encounters following a Presidential Proclamation announced June 4, 2024, by President Biden to temporarily suspend the entry of certain noncitizens across the southern border. Border Patrol encounters between ports of entry were 29% lower than in May 2024 and were the lowest monthly total for the Border Patrol along the southwest border since January 2021 as well as lower than the number of encounters between ports of entry in June 2019, the last comparable year prior to the pandemic.

    He'll keep lying about it of course , but the facts are shifting away from him rapidly.



  • #5130
    Overheal
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122502697#Comment_122502697

    Fox News viewers even got a slice of humble pie about it this morning

    https://www.mediaite.com/tv/really-good-news-for-all-of-us-steve-doocy-celebrates-just-released-consumer-price-index/



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  • #5131
    Igotadose
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,811 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122502663#Comment_122502663

    If you think Netanyahu can't get worse, there's a bridge I have available in Brooklyn. The naivete you display is staggering.

    Of course it can get worse. Imagine Smolrich as PM? You think there'd be any restraints at all on the IDF?

    Israel doesn't need to use nukes to annihilate Gaza or the West Bank.

    So, stop with the nonsense. Convicted Felon Trump has been a disaster for that area and him back in power, unfettered by anyone even slightly sane around him, would be worse.

    And that's for starters.



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