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Vice President Kamala Harris vs Donald Trump 2024

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,580 ✭✭✭✭briany


    That's a tired talking point that Harris is the 'left' candidate. I'd say she has elements to appeal to the left, centre and right who are tired of Trump. Those three groups could be grouped as 'left' the MAGA definition, but I don't take the MAGA definition seriously.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,194 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    In 2016 he was surprised, disorganised, had an internal damage limitation team working against his worst impulses, floundered around, especially with Covid, vaguely tried to enact policy, even the insurrection was a bumbling ad-hoc mess.

    This time is different, he won't make those same mistakes again, on the contrary he is entirely focused on using office for revenge and retribution. Believes he has full immunity from the courts. Anything is on the table.

    Harris is currently ahead according to the aggregate of polls and bookies, but the battleground states are what counts and of course anything could happen in the next 3 months



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 291 ✭✭advisemerite


    Tim Walz is facing fresh criticism for praising Asad Zaman back in 2018 after Zaman celebrated a terrorist attack. This won't sit well with Americans. Harris has come out and said that is the only time Walz has been seen in Public with Asad Zaman. Despite Walz appearing in Public at least twice with Azad Zaman.

    Apparently, K. Harris has a nearly 3 point lead on Trump, which I wouldn't believe for a second. The article also states that seven battle ground states are more volatile for Harris. That is where I believe the Election will be lost for her. Don't believe the polls they had Hillary winning back in 2016 and we all know how that went for the former first lady.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 291 ✭✭advisemerite


    Edited for not quoting.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 291 ✭✭advisemerite




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 291 ✭✭advisemerite


    Wait until Harris has a sit down interview or a debate. Although the debate has been agreed to. She is very reluctant as of August 12 to do a sit down interview. Tim Walz is like a gift to the Trump campaign. He will help Kamala lose her Presidential bid.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,032 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    like the boxes “competent” and “sane”?

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,170 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    Is that worse or better than Trump siding with Putin over the US security services?

    Is it better or worse than Trump saying he intends to turn the US into a dictatorship?

    He said himself that VP are irrelevant, so not sure why you think Walz is a problem

    I wouldn't 'believe' the polls are either as they are 1) a sample, 2)a point in time, and 3) have a margin of error.

    But what is clear is the momentum. The polls, all the polls, are moving in Harris direction.

    Based on the current trend and situation Harris will win this election. Trump has a few cards to play, most involve him stopping being himself and letting the grown ups make the decisions, but almost every card comes with massive risks.

    He can try to talk policy, but as POTUS he failed to deliver anything other than a massive tax cut for the rich.

    He can't talk about jobs as he just congratulationed Musk on axing people just for wanting to strike.

    He can try to talk tough guy US protector, but his arse licking of Putin is a major issue. He failed badly with the Covid crisis which doesn't bode well for any future crisis.

    In almost every area that Trump can look to attack his own performance paints a really poor picture of him. That's why the attack line on Bidens age worked so well. It didn't require any thought from his side and he couldn't ever lose.

    That is all changed now. Hence the flailing around and hiding in Mar-a-lago.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    Narcissistic Personality Disorder is considered to be a mental illness - and the hardest one to treat because of the levels of denial.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,670 ✭✭✭Cody montana




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,021 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    Trump celebrated that he'd the tallest building in Manhatten when the twin towers fell on 9/11, how does that sit with you?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,719 ✭✭✭Field east


    if Biden stayed in the race the Demos would be handing the presidency to Trump. I do not think that I have to explain why. Now if KH wins the position it will not be because of her capabilities, etc, etc, IT WILL be because of Trumps behaviour/carryon /etc/etc. in other words he will be handing it to her on a plate. IMO , dhe say to do little or nothing to win it while avoiding any ‘banana slips’



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,532 ✭✭✭lee_baby_simms


    While I think Trump has every chance of winning I think there are a few important caveats when looking to back to 2016 for guidance.

    Hillary never had the kind of crowds and support that Harris has now (maybe I’m wrong) and the latter has none of the political baggage that Hilary was weighed down with.

    More importantly there’s definitely a kind of fatigue now both with Trump due to his age and with the public. He’s older and slower and the public are just more weary of the same old lines. There was a subversive element to Trump in 2016. Many saw him as a maverick, an outsider in 2016. 8 years later the party has become defined by him.

    He could very likely win in November but not for all the reasons he did in 2016.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,248 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Who is K. Harris?

    Bizarre.

    Why cant you bring yourself to use the actual name?

    You dont use T. Walz or D. Trump.

    Whst conspiracy theory dog whistle is this?

    This is the best dirt you have to sling?

    There is no substance to any of this

    https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/13/politics/asad-zaman-tim-walz-hamas/index.html

    You want to start doing a list of all the things Trump and Vance have done that wont sit well with Americans?

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,719 ✭✭✭Field east


    Yes, he ‘————won’t make those same mistakes again’. But he will make DIFFERENT MISTAKES!,!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,248 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Thats from an official Trump campaign account.

    Blatant racism.

    How will the "centrists" and independent voters for Trump try to defend Trump on this one?

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 43,828 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    Betting odds shortened again

    Harris 8/11

    Trump evens



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,532 ✭✭✭lee_baby_simms


    Can Trump swap out JD Vance at any time? I wouldn’t be surprised if that happens if he continues to lose ground.

    The DNC next week is only going to unsettle him even more.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,504 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Can swap out JD Vance anytime, yes, but then Trump would have to admit he made a mistake. Vance suddenly gets ill?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,781 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    I think he missed the window. He's already officially on ballot that went to print iirc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,781 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    I me

    I mean, I'm sure he could be "swapped out" permanently, in the Martin Scorsese sense of the word.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,253 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Trump can probably do anything he wants as far as his "base" are concerned , but now that they've been through the GOP convention and he has officially been nominated it's much more difficult.

    Biden dropping out was very different in that he hadn't been officially confirmed - That doesn't even happen for Harris until this week-end.

    If Trump wanted Vance gone , he would just get Vance to fall on his sword and invent some reason that gives them air-cover from potential legal issues.

    But , Trump does not and cannot admit a mistake and ditching Vance would be an admission that he royally screwed up picking him and that his campaign is in trouble, so he will just keep on going , keep on whining about how everyone else is to blame for everything and Vance will get hung out to dry by him if they lose.

    "It's all JDs fault" , "I would have won if it wasn't for…….." etc. etc. ad infinitum.

    One thing is for absolute certain if Trump loses in November, Vances political career is finished. He'll get primaried next time out and lose , if he doesn't simply step down and run away long before then.



  • Posts: 1,167 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    He didn't have a stacked supreme court before, he hadn't purged the GOP or and sane (if politically disagreeable) members.

    He has consolidated power in that party and has the Court in his pocket



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 36,480 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    I think especially once the DNC happens, it becomes too late. Trump would have to get permission from the GOP delegates to both change the VP and then get them also to vote on the replacement VP. That would be a gargantuan task. Once the DNC happens, States will be starting to finalise all the ballots etc too.

    I'm also pretty sure Vance would probably refuse to step down willingly. It'd be a much easier sell to delegates and States if Vance stepped down citing personal reasons etc, but if he's just being forced out by Trump he could make it a lot harder for them.

    Trump will likely continue to just play up that the VP is unimportant (well, his VP is, but Kamala when she was VP and Walz if he becomes VP are absolutely responsible for everything bad that has ever happened, real or imaginary), and so Vance will become the scapegoat and target for all the "weird" side of things and maybe even of Project 2025 given how he wrote the foreword for the book written by the architect of it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,580 ✭✭✭✭briany


    In Trumpland, Kamala's VP matters very much because to hear him tell it, Kamala is a 'DEI hire' and, as such, isn't capable of running anything, so it would really be Walz calling the shots. And as he would be a radical left, Fascist, Communist, this would be bad news for America...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,623 ✭✭✭crusd


    Not being a narcissistic loon in thrall to the multi-billionaire class and right wing nut jobs overtly trying to overturn democracy



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,623 ✭✭✭crusd


    Thats far worse that being an actual rapist and convicted felon who wants to f*ck his own daughter. Weird



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,839 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    He needs to dump all the stuff he’s done previously- it’s old and tired and dated and it’s making him look even more stupid than he usually appears.

    He’s still a force to be reckoned with but his racial attack on Harris hasn’t landed particularly well - he just doesn’t know how to approach her so he’s going to his usual name calling gimmic.
    It’s clear he’s struggling but if he refocuses on the economy and the border and just keep it simple, he’ll gain ground there as they are weak areas for Harris



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    All boils down to a Nikki Haley quote from February: the first party to dump their old man will win.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



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