Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

Sweden really fucked up big time and will pay for this for years to come (if they arent already) and unfortunately i'm afraid Ireland is following down the same route

In the article you provided it mentions Swedish teenagers, not surprising considering that in Sweden crime rates among the youth have been rising, with particularly gruesome incidents being highlighted in the media, like this one involving the murder of a teenage girl by two teenage girls:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13683291/amp/Pyjama-party-murder-Sweden-girl-kidnapped-killed.html

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2023/aug/27/sweden-seeks-to-stem-deadly-rise-in-youth

Ireland is nowhere near the level of criminal behaviour among the younger generations.

Probably out sourced security hiring some form of trained foreign mercenaries, it's genuinely crazy stuff what are these people masquerading as leaders doing

I didn’t imagine anything other than to try and figure out how you were coming up with those figures of between 50 and 70%. I couldn’t, so I said I’d ask, seeing as there is no reliable data available.

I do take your point that with fairly few direct flights from countries where asylum seekers are coming from that the actual figure is closer to 100%, but that’d be letting your imagination run away with itself, which is why reliable data would be infinitely more useful in determining policy decisions.

Look I get it was never fully finished but could you imagine the hell hole Ballumun would be without the regeneration. They knocked the flats and ballymunners left the ghetto with many spreading around the country.

I'm sure the recession was partly to blame for them not seeing it through but let's not pretend there wasn't a massive improvement.

Whoa, whoa, stall on there, I think you might have misunderstood. I was asking where YOU got your figures from, not where I got my figures from, cos I know where I got them from, and they’re useless, but you’re generally very good at providing sources, so that’s why I was asking.

As for the estimates themselves, well given the nature of secondary movement you could use your imagination and come up with an estimate of 100% based upon direct flights from other EU countries to Ireland, but you can immediately see the issue there? The figure is meaningless! I wasn’t the one who said anything originally about direct flights, you did. The reason I make that point is because direct flights aren’t the only means by which they are reaching Ireland. Only a couple of weeks ago there was a number of them pulled from a container off a ferry, another group found in a container off a lorry which travelled across the continent, and that isn’t considered secondary movement, it’s human trafficking.

The mention of estimates of secondary movement doesn’t mean anything in terms of returning failed asylum seekers to their previous countries from whence they came because most of the time it seems impossible to determine where they came from, let alone where they originally came from, and then to try and return them is another issue in itself when those countries refuse to accept them back!

It really WOULD be fantastic if the Department of Justice actually had the data, but as another poster linked to an article where Helen McEntee provided the same 50 to 70% estimates, it’s reasonable to conclude that all it demonstrates is that they don’t have the data either. They can’t provide what they don’t have, and your guessing based upon your imagination isn’t of any use whatsoever, whether you imagine the percentages are higher or lower than they actually are.

All I wanted to know was your source for the claim so I could examine the data for myself and see how you were coming up with the estimated percentages. It turns out you were just repeating what you’d read elsewhere without actually questioning it. I just thought that was odd because you’re usually able to support your claims, most of the time anyway, but on this one you’re expecting I should rely on your imagination. You must surely be able to see why I wouldn’t consider your imagination a reliable source of information in relation to the movements of asylum seekers?

I contend that all, or nearly all, of the 140,000 AS during the past twnety years have been bogus.

Have you lived in Ballumun? I have with my woman for a year. Wouldn't have walked through the place 20 years ago. It's vastly improved.

Dundrum

A couple of pix I took on Sunday , the Grand Canal is totally ruined and no urgency to tidy it up, I never see any Gardai walking it

I wouldn't be giving that humanist lad any coverage, a shitstirrer of the highest order.

Hopefully the residents of Dundrum hold their nerve, remain peaceful and don't fall into any traps set by aggresive garda tactics. Know your rights and record everything.

I’m glad we have established that what you imagine to be the reality and the actual reality are two completely different things.

Public order unit there too, escorting the buses in. Seemingly all roads around the hotel are cordoned off.

I'm still wondering why, when even the government admits that the majority aren't genuine asylum seekers do we still have the cheerleaders harping on about 'refugees are welcome'. Why can't they just tell the actual truth and say every chancer from everywhere is welcome to come here to game the asylum system because Ireland is so important we can take them all. We don't care if you are legitimate or not, we'll just pretend you are and shout at people that ask questions. We saw what Sweden did and we are just dying for a bit of that action.

Public order unit, great, that's vital services pulled from other communities so to deal with these 'peaceful' protestors.

Hopefully nobody gets hurt today.