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Vice President Kamala Harris vs Donald Trump 2024

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  • #4892
    paddyisreal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,728 ✭✭✭paddyisreal


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122492111#Comment_122492111

    Lol I posted a good while back with the odds and gave the same info. Couldn't be arsed looking for it .



  • #4893
    LambshankRedemption
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,053 ✭✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122491898#Comment_122491898

    You don't understand clereist?? Dude, you need to drink more cofveve



  • #4894
    Leroy42
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,113 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122491631#Comment_122491631

    He claimed that back in 2018, which he now says he misspoke.

    So he hasn't been running around claiming he was an Iraqi veteran or something.



  • #4895
    Water John
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,282 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Washington Post, Ottawa County article. Sorry can't paste this, but it's a great demonstration of how that county in Michigan reclaimed its county board from the madness of GOP extremists. Running good candidates similar to Tim Walz, they ran them from office.



  • #4896
    briany
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,333 ✭✭✭✭briany


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122491890#Comment_122491890

    In this edition of drag queen story time - how this boy went from calling Trump 'America's Hitler' to being his running mate. Gather round, children.



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  • #4897
    Manic Moran
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,064 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122491443#Comment_122491443

    Well, I agree that it's a lot less of an issue than it's being made out to be, but it's important enough to a notable portion of the voting populace that it's a topic of discussion.

    Again, there's an issue in that it's difficult to summarise in a TLDW and probably requires an actual specialist to figure out, but a fair point was made that enlisted folks sign contracts for specific time periods. If he did re-up in Sept 2001 as apparently claimed, then he would be due for separation Sept 2007. If he actually only did a four-year, to get out in Sept 2005 (still later than he actually did), then it indicates he had little intention of completing the Sgt Major's academy taking a slot from an E8 who would have been more worthwhile (Slots for schools are a big limiting factor). So somehow there was an early release from the contract. The implication here being he made a very concerted effort to get out of the deployment.
    This is where I disagree with Ty, I think he was entitled to do it, though taking the slot is a bit of dick move if that's what happened. However, I can see why his colleagues could view it as abandonment from their perspective. The argument that he got out to allow him to run in politics is also somewhat undermined by the examples of a number of other congressfolks who still are in the Guard. Gabbard, for example, is currently a battalion commander.

    With respect to the rank, the promotion was conditional, and it's something of a philosophical judgement. He can legitimately claim he served as a CSM, but there's a good argument to be made that if you didn't even try to meet the conditions, you can't claim to have actually been such: The example given was going to Special Forces selection, being attached to SF for the evolution, but failing out. As such, keeping the CSM insignia on his congressional coin is arguably bad form, and I have heard a few CSMs saying he shouldn't claim the rank, and none claiming he should. It has also been observed that he certainly can't substantiate a claim to have been the highest-enlisted-ranked member of congress, as Tony Gonzales uncontestably retired out as an E9; similarly the Harris campaign currently referring to him as a retired CSM is definitely not right, as he's retired as a Master Sergeant. Absolutely nothing wrong with being a retired MSG.



  • #4898
    EltonJohn69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,877 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122491890#Comment_122491890

    is that a cat lady ?



  • #4899
    chooseusername
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,483 ✭✭✭chooseusername


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122492002#Comment_122492002

    If you want to lay Kamala at evens, I’ll back her with you. ( she’s odds on now btw)



  • #4900
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    he did not see that coming huh.

    IMG_5844.jpeg


  • #4901
    Tony EH
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,096 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122491630#Comment_122491630

    The appellation of "weird" becomes more and more appropriate each day.



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  • #4902
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    the next week of the campaign among other things will be a drip drip drip of the 14 hours of training footage Project 2025 wanted to not get out, exhibit one: trainers discuss the need to habitually have meetings and decision making done off the books, in person, not in writing, etc.

    the sheer irony that this training video was recorded, and not presented as an in person lecture, digitally recorded for the world to see how they want the federal government to operate: unaccountable, in their own words, by specifically calling out the likes of accountable.us and similar groups doing FOIA requests for such exact email communications. I wonder if there aren’t criminal conspiracy implications of what they’re saying here actually, but that will be for legal watchdog groups to figure out. Could you imagine Hillary Clinton video-training her staffers to keep things off the books? That is basically what this looks like to me.

    And, this is just 46 seconds of the 14 hours now available for the public to sift through - about 0.09% of the content (I did the math)

    https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/s/a6tJ7pvssR



  • #4903
    Flaneur OBrien
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,781 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122493176#Comment_122493176

    I'm sure we'll be told that project 2025 isn't important, Trumps disowned it, we should move on, OMG TRUMPS BEEN HACKED, no need to discuss Project 2025 again, it's been dealt with etc. etc.



  • #4904
    2smiggy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,874 ✭✭✭✭2smiggy


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122491303#Comment_122491303

    bullies hate being bullied.



  • #4905
    Bass Reeves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 20,580 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122493320#Comment_122493320

    I agree with him its school yard bullying to call people weird. But then his boss refers to people by nicknames, Crooked Joe, horseface, b!tch, Lying Hilary, etc. So it kinda WEIRD complaining about it and claiming it bullying

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nicknames_used_by_Donald_Trump?wprov=sfla1

    Slava Ukrainii



  • #4906
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,626 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122493384#Comment_122493384

    When the debate has been dragged into the gutter don't be surprised when you get dirty.

    Trump is almost entirely responsible for the degradation of American political debate.



  • #4907
    2smiggy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,874 ✭✭✭✭2smiggy


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122493384#Comment_122493384

    she's tough enough for them. they are not used to that, the actually have nothing. when bullies can't bully they have nothing

    She could have been back at 4/1 soon after Biden dropped out. It was the free-ist money in the world



  • #4908
    Leroy42
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,113 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    There is also a massive difference in calling someone crooked, lying, corrupt etc to calling them weird.

    Lots of people are weird. I would suggest that everyone is weird compared to some others.

    But being weird is not, in of itself, a reason not to vote for someone. Crooked, lying, corrupt etc certainly is.

    And Vance mocked Harris' laugh. So he can hardly take the moral high ground on this.



  • #4909
    Flaneur OBrien
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,781 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    We all know how much Trump obsessed about polling, so I'd say he's utterly furious over the last two weeks.

    Screenshot_2024-08-12-09-09-32-103_com.android.chrome-edit.jpg

    The betting average is only heading one way. (I'm beginning to trust this more than traditional polling!)

    Screenshot_2024-08-12-09-11-39-076_com.android.chrome-edit.jpg

    Interesting to see them follow each other in parallel, I assume that's RFK's vote going back to Trump over the last few days.

    Screenshot_2024-08-12-09-11-05-092_com.android.chrome-edit.jpg

    This one is the most interesting and the most pertinent to the Harris campaign.

    The historical part. At this stage in 2016, Hilary was +6.3 and we know what happened there. Just because momentum is with Harris, they cannot take the foot off the accelerator at all. There's only 84 days left.



  • #4910
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,920 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122493500#Comment_122493500

    Hello "New poster"

    Your overuse of "lol" intrigues me and makes me want to hear more from you, is there a blog or a newsletter perhaps that I could sign up to for more in depth analysis from you?

    Kind Regards

    Timberrrrrrrr.



  • #4911
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,626 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Trump been sued by estate of Isaac Hayes for using his song without permission;

    https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4823331-family-of-isaac-hayes-sues-trump-for-playing-his-song-at-rallies/



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  • #4912
    Bass Reeves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 20,580 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122493452#Comment_122493452

    If you think of all the people you know, how many would you describe as weird. Ya people may be different, I even know a few that are conspiracy theorist to different extents. But out of the hundreds of people I know there is probably only one or two that I would consider weird.

    If they are weird you would not let them mind your children, and if I had young children I would not let them alone with Trump.

    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122493440#Comment_122493440

    I posted in a few Trump/ US election threads that ⁹to defeat Trump you had to get under his skin and pick a nickname or something similar and keep referring to it.

    Bullies and name callers in general hate having the same done to them. They go completely off the wall.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • #4913
    2smiggy
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122493500#Comment_122493500

    says a sad re-reg



  • #4914
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122490520#Comment_122490520

    UK jails gonna be full of critical.thnkers for the next three years or so....

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • #4915
    Penn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,024 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122493558#Comment_122493558

    "I posted in a few Trump/ US election threads tgat to defeat Trump you had to get under his skin and pick a nickname or something similar and keep referring to it.

    Bullies and name callers in general hate having the same done to them. Tgey go completely off the wall."

    That's why 'weird' is especially good; there's no real defence for it. It's entirely subjective and based off a vibe. And then the more you try to not seem weird or overly trying to defend yourself…. makes you seem kinda weird.



  • #4916
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,950 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122493516#Comment_122493516

    steer clear of RCP. They simply average the polls with zero intelligence applied.

    I see in the fivethirtyeight average, where intelligence is applied, is really starting to look good for Harris.

    https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/2024/national/

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • #4917
    Rawr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,838 ✭✭✭Rawr


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122493558#Comment_122493558

    I think that's the beauty and simplicity of the "wierd" attack against Donnie and MAGA in general. For one, it's true; the complete lack of a moral compass in MAGAworld has fostered an environment where blatent nazism, televangleists screaming to high-heavens about how Donnie is "Jesus 2.0" and where shooting of puppies somehow became a marketing statement….is wierd.

    Also, it's an easy idea to sell to almost the entire electorate. You don't need a history lesson to explain how much MAGA mirrors the NSDAP, you just need to point out how unusual and unhinged the lot of them are.

    Finally, it drives them nuts. Their outbursts help sell the idea that they are indeed weird and shouldn't be entrusted with public resposibilty.



  • #4918
    LambshankRedemption
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,053 ✭✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    The historical part. At this stage in 2016, Hilary was +6.3 and we know what happened there. Just because momentum is with Harris, they cannot take the foot off the accelerator at all. There's only 84 days left.

    At this stage in 2016, Hilary had been investigated by the FBI once, and they had just reopened the casefile.

    Harris has never been investigated by the FBI,



  • #4919
    [Deleted User]
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122493452#Comment_122493452

    That's not how the weird insult is meant to work. It's psychologically much more subtle.

    When you pride yourself on been straight up guy/girl been associated with a weird person is uncomfortable - makes you want to distance yourself from that person. It undermines both the self image of the person been called weird and the prospective voter.

    It's clever - not the Brutish thuggery that Trump indulges in. The contract is stark.



  • #4920
    osarusan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,894 ✭✭✭✭osarusan


    Tbh, after the polling for the last two elections, and especially after 538 'recalibrated' their methods for the 2020 election and were still miles off for many states, I'm not sure I want to pay any attention to the polls.



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  • #4921
    McFly85
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,636 ✭✭✭McFly85


    There’s too many differences between Clinton’s campaign to draw any real conclusions, but the Harris campaign does at least seem to have learned from her mistakes.

    It’s smart to concentrate on rallies now instead of press. Trump is a bully with no policy to promote, campaigning purely on discrediting his opponent. Without press it basically starves Trumps campaign of oxygen - they’re having to go back years to find things to attack with and it makes them look pretty pathetic.

    And it’s smart to not look to debate Trump at any cost - while he lies through his teeth he’s often been underestimated in these as for how convincing he can be and how he can frustrate his opponent. Stick to ABC and push for fact challenging where possible. Polling looks like it’ll be Trump who needs to appear in a debate more than Harris so she should have the leverage there for a good debate - even if Trump doesn’t agree it’ll look good for her to debate against an empty podium.

    And then just relentlessly campaign. She should have a full travel schedule right up until November. She can do everything right and still lose so it’s really important to not let up. Hopefully she can get the job done and we don’t have to hear from Trump as a political candidate again.



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