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4 Berth Camper Conversion - Best Van

  • 08-08-2024 12:10PM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 209 ✭✭


    Hi All,

    I'm thinking of going ahead with a camper van conversion and am trying to figure out what's the best van to go with. We're a family of 4.

    Appreciate any advice



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  • Posts: 6,597 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Your going to need a high roof long wheel base.

    If you could find a non-rusty transit it would likely be a good bet. Most would opt for a Sprinter but they are top of the price heap and also prone to rust.

    IVECO traveller is worth considering but these are a bit less refined and not many about.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 209 ✭✭memaul


    Thanks for the advice Shoog. I'm thinking a fixed double bed to the rear of the van and a rib seat/bed towards the front. Lots and lots to think about :)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,730 ✭✭✭celtic_oz


    I'd go relay/boxer/ducato L3H3 which allows nearly 6 foot width ways and double bunk 2 small doubles, this would probably use up the least percentage of space inside I think?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,663 ✭✭✭Macy0161


    I'm looking at the moment, and like that only the boxer/ ducato are wide enough for a traverse bed. Although pods for extra width for a bed on narrower van conversions are also "a thing". The other thing to consider is the mounting points for the rib beds - there's a few people on youtube who've installed one and had to make adjustments/ get metal fabricated due to the placement of the beams under the van exactly where the mounting points were (https://youtu.be/fHEWlBOMPjo?si=l8dgzp_R1ogqO50h)

    It'll be the new year before I really commit, but still trying to work on which van. The other thing with the Boxer/ Ducato is just under 6m, which apparently is a significant price differential for ferry's.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,379 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    as above, any 4 berth is going to have to be LWB and HL roof regardless of choice of make model or engine.

    Things to consider is weight and license requirement also. Do you need to get an additional license if you choose the wrong van type. You could end up with overweight by accident by picking the wrong van.

    Ive been considering this on and off for last few years, but the van markets always been all over the shop since Covid. Obviously because people are seeking to do exactly what you are. Personally id be looking at either a Sprinter or Ducato/Boxers. More of the latter because having driven a few of the 1.9 JTD they are powerful and reliable plus they are the basis for the vast majority campers across the EU. Thats not by accident



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,663 ✭✭✭Macy0161


    Well I'd guess it's availability as well, but makes conversion parts more readily available. As a van, the Master seems very well regarded for reliability and seems to have a different/ better metal treatment? I've read of non-emergency ambulance fleets in the UK switching away from Ducato to the Master due to the better reliability, but I did read that in a master/ movano group! 🤷‍♂️



  • Posts: 6,597 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I seriously considered the Master for a long time. However the engines are chain driven but the chain system is a real weakness as it's a really thin and flimsy chain tensioned by hydraulic pressure on teflon guides. If the service intervals are skipped then the flimsy chain can simply jump and snap and I heard of enough cases of this happening to consider them unreliable. Also a chain is usually a life of the engine job - but in the case of the master it's got a relatively short service life and is expensive to change.

    Watching weight and license class is a good call. Our medium wheelbase medium roof sprinter is already at 2.9tonnes fully loaded so it easy to see a long wheel base high roof exceeding the 3.5t limit for a normal driving license.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 209 ✭✭memaul


    Thanks celtic_oz. I'm trying to figure out if I'll go with the 2 fixed doubles or a double and 2 singles. I've seen nice designs for fixed versions of both



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 209 ✭✭memaul


    Great to know about the ferry as there will hopefully be some trips to France



  • Posts: 6,597 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The reason the Ducato is used as the base for most coach built campers - is because Fiat is the only manufacturer who produce a chassie designed for coach building campers.

    I really don't think you can read much more into it than that.

    There is a reason why the Sprinter accounts for the majority of commercial vans in Ireland.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,379 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Well no the 1.9 jtm block is ubiquitous in variety of marques and makes across Europe its a great unit. The sprinter as usual carries brand weight. It's also not across the majority of commercial vehicles where are you getting those stats !



  • Posts: 6,597 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I guarantee if you watch any stream of traffic, in the target size, you will see a majority of sprinters. Go try it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,379 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Traffic is not a defining feature of vehicle registrations. The vehicle registrations and tax reports are.



  • Posts: 6,597 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Really go look at what the majority of commercial fleet carriers are using in Ireland - I guarantee it is a sprinter.

    Its certainly not a Ducato.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,379 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    You made the point go grab the sales and registration stats.

    Remember I didn't make the blanket assertion that sprinters are the most purchased commercial vehicle. ...



  • Posts: 6,597 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It's up to the person ultimately to make a decision based upon what meets his needs.

    Sprinter is the most popular vehicle for delivery services, independent business' and passenger carriers and an objective look around will confirm that. They sell because they are reliable, efficient, fast and have good capacity whilst still been easy to drive. They are more expensive because of all this and they hold their value longer than any other van in this size class.

    The only reason not to choose a sprinter is if you can't afford one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,379 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Avoiding the point you made I see.

    I'll round this out for you then.

    The ford transit is and has always been the most popular commercial van in Ireland and the UK. They are facts.

    Followed by the transporter which is volkwswagon

    The sprinter usually comes in 3rd or 4th depending on the year you look at and swaps in and out with the renault trafic.

    I've got a trafic btw.

    Anyway your point was false and the follow up about affordability was silly too. Have a good weekend.



  • Posts: 6,597 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Not getting into a pissing contest with you.

    I have given my opinion and memaul can take it or leave it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,730 ✭✭✭celtic_oz


    I went with a boxer primarily because they are wider and I wanted to have the bed width ways and you get an additional 100mm, which makes for a more efficient use of the inside imo.

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    And it just about does. The sprinter would not have been wide enough for me to have that layout.



  • Posts: 6,597 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Yep it's a factor. We have a queen sized bed (bigger than king-size) in ours but it's organized as a rock and roll bed across the back. There's only two of us and comfort for us and the dog was the top priority.

    You could just about fit a bed sideways in a Sprinter but if your 6'2" like me it would be a squeeze.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,379 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    It's not a pissing context. You could have just said I made a statement that was wrong. I like my sprinter so therefore I made a boo boo.

    It's not the most popular It's not the most ubiquitous not even 2nd 👍



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,663 ✭✭✭Macy0161


    I actually would've guessed transits, based on paying attention the last few weeks. Sprinters (and transits) do have a pretty poor reputation for rust amongst the conversion facebook groups though. But that's always with bias.

    If you look at the reliability sites, any van I've considered has scored well enough I wouldn't be put off tbh!



  • Posts: 6,597 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Transits have traditionally been the worst for rust, but I think they are better now as they pay more attention to rust proofing.

    People who own transits seem to love them and they have the advantage of been cheaper all round. Just find a rust free one if you can!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,663 ✭✭✭Macy0161


    I think they're all mainly a wash at this stage to be honest - it's about finding a decent individual van at the right price, with the space you can make work.

    If I was going small I'd 100% want the transit custom and copy the Nugget Plus, but the L3H3 (which is the biggest fwd) just doesn't really work for what we need and the rwd L4 is over 3500kg so ruled out for practicality purposes (only I'd be able to drive it!).



  • Posts: 6,597 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Just remember the 3.5tonne limit is not the van plate weight - it's the finished article fully loaded weight. I am not certain any of the high roof long wheel base are going to allow a build out under that limit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 209 ✭✭memaul


    Again, thanks for the advice. I'm really glad I started this thread. I hadn't looked at the van weights in great detail just yet but in my head I was planning the layout on a L4 H3 van. Do you think its not realistically going to be possible to do a proper conversion and stay below the 3,500kg?



  • Posts: 6,597 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Its something to consider in your plans - but can't be certain really. I think its probably easily possible with care - but you need to keep an eye on it at all stages.

    My guess is that the average conversion will easily add 500kg to the basic weight. 100ltr water tanks will be 100kg all by themselves. Four passengers at least another 150kg. Our mattress alone weighs 50kg. Leisure batteries another 50kg. It all adds up.

    Its possible to get low weight ply to keep weights down but its fiercely expensive and hard to source in Ireland.

    You need to look at the base weight of your proposal and then do a rough calculation of what you need to put in.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,663 ✭✭✭Macy0161


    Well i definitely think it's something that has to be really thought about. You do look at some of the builds on facebook and youtube and wonder how they're not overweight. Even the 150g is probably conservative for 4 passengers!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,747 ✭✭✭traco


    Width in the rear is a big factor particularly if you want a width ways bed. The French vans are the widest and I think the transit is next then the Merc / VW. I know that table above says 1.8 for both but it isn't clear where that measurement is taken and if its metal exterior panel to panel 1m above the floor the transit is wider. It has similar dimensions to the Ducato etc between the wheel arches which is also important.

    French stuff is excellent and brilliant for owner operators but a bit soft if using them for couriers etc but they are cheaper. German stuff great for taking abuse but repair costs reflect the premium car sector. Ford, somewhere between the two I reckon. I have a 162 Mk8 LWB HR 350 Transit 155bhp well spec'd up. Drives like a car but I'm not convinced its as robust as previous gens. However its minded like a small child and when it is moved on from the business I will buy it and covert. Probably use two pods in the rear for transverse fixed bed as I'm 6'4" and its comes in under the 6m length so OK in supermarket car parks and what not even if it sticks out a bit.

    As for popularity here are the stats YTD so we can get put that chat aside and get back to the vans.

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