Transgender man wins women's 100 yd and 400 yd freestyle races.

They are not "women born with XY chromosomes": a very tiny number of people born with XY chromosomes and an insensitivity to testosterone do not go through male puberty and do not have the male advantage. They are still genetically male but without the traditional male advantage.

That's why I've been referring to "sex screening" rather than sex testing: the famous cheek swab identifies the vast majority of XY anomalies, but in the case of any doubts as to whether this person has gone through male puberty, further tests may be required. That can be done but takes rather more than the three hours needed for the initial cheek swab, which eliminates the vast majority of problematic cases.

IF a person with XY chromosomes and androgen insensitivity wishes to participate in the female category, I would have no problem with that. That really is a different thing from what's going on here. (And to be blunt, it won't happen - those are not the XY athletes who are over-represented on female podiums.)

You're both making the crucial point and dismissing it at the same time, which shows the inconsistency in your position here: we could have categories of leg-length and hand-size for swimming, in which case Phelps would be at the top end along with a very few others, rather like being the top weight category for weight lifting or boxing.

We don't choose to do that (and if you think we should, please do feel free to make your argument for that on a relevant thread) but here's the main thing: if we did have a such a category, it would be policed. Similarly, the female category needs to be policed or it becomes meaningless.

We could but you would need definitions of leg length. We do to a certain extent with weight categories but these have well defined conditions. You have actively stated that you don't want to exactly define a woman.

Your sig is ridiculous. I have pointed out this has been happening for years including in Tokyo. It is dismissive of the actual pain women go through with domestic violence by linking it to an accredited fight like they have been doing for years without complaint.

There's a reason this has blown up; for people like Sharon Davies it's an another area of women's sport where biological males are active.

For TRA Intersex, while completely unrelated to trans individuals, their existence is key for mudding the waters.

Trans ideology is entirely based on feeling/faith/psychological disorder but intersex is the one area where the division of the sexes isn't entirely clear without specific expertise.

As such it is key, hence why they are active here.

In truth it shows the driver's of trans ideology are acutely aware of the biology as they go to the one specific point where sex being binary isn't obvious. However having reached that point they conclude rather than being binary there are infinite genders.

They of course don't give a flying **** about fairness in women's sport

I mean, you've said many times that you believe that men who say they're women are women, and since Caster says the same thing, I assumed - perhaps wrongly - that you'd take Caster's word on that too.

Was I wrong??

What's your point. That's a quote from Semenya, not me.

I thought we were talking about Imane and the Taiwanese boxer.

The arguments from anti-trans people are always so empty and based on propaganda, it's so **** boring.

Is it that crazy for me to say there's a distraction when nobody actually addresses my points and just deflects into something else. If this was a conversation in real life I'd still have to pause and say what're you on about I didn't say that..?

Accusing me of being American is very funny when all of this anti-woke gender critical just asking questions about trans people stinks of Yank.

Anyone watch the 75KG women's final tonight?

BTW I wasn't "accusing" you of being American. Your post about trans was completely irrelevant to the subject under discussion so I answered on a minorly-interesting side point.

The reason I said I hadn't realised you were American was you used US spelling. That would also explain why you are so determined to make this into another US culture-war nonsense thing, instead if understanding why women are concerned about protecting women from male violence, including when those males are doing so in sports rather than in the home or on the street.

And the reason your post was mostly irrelevant nonsense is, if this were an anti trans issue, why is nobody here complaining about nonbinary/trans athlete Nikki Hiltz competing?

Oh, yes, it's because she is a biological woman competing against women. That's why. So that's absolutely grand for those of us whose only problem with transgender ideology is when it is used to harm women. Like Caster Semenya taking prizes from women, or, worse, male boxers potentially being allowed to beat up women who are told they are fighting females.

so simple right..

but people will still turn themselves inside out to defend the indefensible.

Thanks but I don't think that explains it: several posts had been made (because several posters were shown as being the latest poster, and because I myself posted two posts and the same thing happened - I couldn't even see my own posts once they were posted).

They've all become visible now, but I don't know whether this post will have the same problem or not. This is a test post.