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BusConnects Dublin - Bus Network Changes Discussion

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,822 ✭✭✭AngryLips


    How is funding being curtailed in the face of the biggest ramp-up in bus services in the history of the state?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,810 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    Read my post again.

    I said funding for new transport services has been cut in 2024.

    In other words, the NTA aren’t getting the funding from government that they originally expected to get in respect of adding more routes/frequency to the network in 2024.

    Any service additions that they have rolled out up to the end of 2023 has been fully funded again in 2024, but the rate of expansion in 2024 has been reduced as they don’t have the funding from government to do it.

    That means that they’ve had to slow down the rollout of new Connecting Ireland routes and it’s now being done over six years rather than five.

    Similarly I suspect that the rollout of new additional BusConnects phases has been negatively impacted in 2024 by the cut in funds over what was expected.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,046 ✭✭✭✭cgcsb


    Unbelievable that funds would be cut at a time like this when the need has never been greater and thingss are actually progressing for a change.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 250 ✭✭Stillnotworking


    How long before a new service is introduced are the bus stops done? Noticed the poles are up and the Bus Stop road markings are on Cypress Grove Road for the F1, but no idea as to when its supposed to start. Thanks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,881 ✭✭✭rx8


    The "F-Spine" will be mid-2025 at the earliest. Most probably a lot later. The E Spine is due in September this year and that still looks like it's not going to be on time.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,810 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    Sounds like wires have been crossed somewhere, as that’s not happening until sometime in 2025.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,577 ✭✭✭VG31


    Have funds actually been cut or is that just speculation? That's ridiculous if true. And very surprising given how strong the Greens have been in government on public transport.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,810 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    To clarify this as people don’t seem to be reading my posts properly.

    Fact:

    At a recent Oireachtas Committee hearing it was stated that the Connecting Ireland project was now being rolled out over six years rather than five due to funding from government in 2024 for current expenditure being less than the NTA had originally expected - hence the rollout of new services is slower than originally planned in 2024.

    Speculation:

    Based on the admission above, I suspect that this is also impacting on the ability of the NTA to roll out more phases of BusConnects this year and may form part of the reason (apart from driver recruitment issues), why the E Spine rollout has been pushed back until later in 2024.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,859 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    This is from nine months ago, so possibly overtaken by events, but it's stated here that the shortfall is due to inflation. It doesn't seem to mention explicit cuts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,810 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    I suspect that is part of it to be honest.

    Wage costs have increased for example.

    The explicit question needs to be asked of the NTA, and it hasn’t yet.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,937 ✭✭✭dublinman1990


    EA 15 had completed it's first set of departures on the 99 yesterday.

    My reading of the article from the author above says that it went off without a hitch on it's first day of revenue service in Dublin yesterday. The author said that the EA's are very comfortable from a passenger perspective which bodes very well when the O route gets rolled out with the N2 for BusConnects which is hopefully some time this year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,046 ✭✭✭✭cgcsb


    They'll have to stack passengers vertically when they start on the O or N2.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,810 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,810 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    The Ringsend CBC scheme (which includes the bridge over the Dodder) has been approved

    https://www.pleanala.ie/en-ie/case/317679

    That’s 7/12 approved now with 2 subject to judicial reviews.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭mikeybhoy


    Wonder are there any other routes they would go on the L58/L59 would make sense for single deckers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 123 ✭✭AX636




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 451 ✭✭dublinbusdude


    Looks the next Phase of Bus Connects is coming

    https://www.echo.ie/completely-inadequate-capacity-issues-on-the-existing-65-bus-route/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,810 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    Looks like there is a general election coming, more like.

    The A Spine won't be happening until 2026, so I wouldn't be getting any hopes up.

    My understanding is that the NTA are looking at increasing the frequency of the 65 to deal with the additional demand to/from Crooksling.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,458 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    That article really doesn't say much other than Paul Murphy looking for some routes to be brought in quicker. There's absolutely no reference to the next phase coming.

    Next phase is the E1/E2 etc and as per previous posters that's continually getting pushed out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,755 ✭✭✭john boye


    NTA/DB are going ahead with some timetable changes/routing changes to the existing network in the coming weeks. This is a change as new bills for existing routes weren't being considered a while ago.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,529 ✭✭✭p_haugh


    Some changes have already been implemented, mainly with the 142. It got a new bill when most of its duties were moved from Harristown to Clontarf, and as part of that it was updated to start/finish at UCD Village (stop 7963) now that the Sports Centre stop (stop 877) has been gotten rid of.

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    Now in saying that, the data feed still has the S4 stopping there (yet the stop is physically blocked off), so it isn't fully up to date



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,822 ✭✭✭AngryLips


    Confirmation that BusConnects is dead in the water?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,755 ✭✭✭john boye


    I would say it's just an acknowledgement that Bus Connects will take a lot longer than they'd hoped and some routes urgently need improvement and can't just wait indefinitely until everything is in place for the routes to be Bus Connected.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,501 ✭✭✭StreetLight


    Of course not, but that's no reason there can't be tweaks to existing routes in the interim.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,049 ✭✭✭thomasj


    Is there any hints of what routes may see these changes? Is it for those routes on the A/B/D/E/F spines?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,755 ✭✭✭john boye


    As mentioned above, the 65 is one. The 150 too and the C-spine is getting some extras. The 83 is getting a slight routing change on its southern end too which will probably require a new timetable.

    Post edited by john boye on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,178 ✭✭✭trellheim


    The O planned frequency with only singledeckers - I just can't see it working .. can an SG not fit under Macken st bridge at all ? UBR56 (Macken St Bridge ) height is 4.38 and an B5TL is 4.325 …. dig out a few inches under the roadway for a safety margin or is that not a runner at all

    ( for context I am sure I've seen doubledeckers under Sarsfield Bridge ) and thats only

    4.37 so even lower )

    https://www.irishrail.ie/Admin/IrishRail/media/Imported/bridgeheights1.pdf

    yep the G1,G2 and 60 run under there so why not under Macken St ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,046 ✭✭✭✭cgcsb


    I also can't see it working out. This is going to be one of the busiest routes, the demand has been underestimated of course, An Lár still dominates the minds of many planners, hence why every north-south spine is still wedged into OCS. Frequency ought to be 5 minutes at least. A bus gate at Phibsboro, a contraflow bus lane between Camden street and Adelaide road is a minimum just to maintain the proposed frequency. There really should have been an infrastructure option e.g. lower the road at Macken st.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,178 ✭✭✭trellheim


    Filter right onto Infirmary Road as well and NCR priority at NCR/New Cabra road ( currently New Cabra road has priority). Also you'd need 50/50 light time at Drumcondra/NCR cross and at 5 Lamps and Beckett bridge given the current tailbacks



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  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 23,749 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    I think folks are underestimating the capacity of full size single decker buses!

    At 12m long, the EA class has a capacity of 73 people, the SG for example are around 88 people. There is obviously a difference, but not as much as you might think.

    Of course the single decker has fall less seating at 33 versus 67 on a SG, the trade off being far more standing space. Given the nature of this route, people won't be on these buses for very long, mostly taken short trips to connect to other radial routes, so lack of seating shouldn't be a big deal.

    I suspect given the nature of the route, these will actually work much better then a double decker, no needing to go up and down a stairs etc. which really doesn't make much sense if you are only travelling for a few stops.

    This will be much more like city bus routes in mainland European cities.



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