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Vice President Kamala Harris vs Donald Trump 2024

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  • Posts: 832 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    fixed



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,398 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    There are many democrats who take issue with it. I for one.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,064 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    The party is allowed to choose their candidate however they wish, it's not in any way anti democratic. If they wanted to do an obstacle course and delegates voted based on the performance, that would still be legit. They chose a candidate that is clearly able to garner the support of the public.

    Also, while donors pulling out was what broke the camel's back. Joe had lost the confidence of the party which is far more relevant.

    Tbh, I'd find it much more concerning that so much of the public have deluded themselves into believing a rapist is a good person to lead the country.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    You’ve said you haven’t been tuned in a while so your confusion is somewhat understandable. Except none of the people you mention have the power to remove the President of the United States, he left of his own accord. The race is now between Trump and Harris. In July alone, Harris picked up $310m in donations - not from “billionaire donors”, her average donation was $20. She also reacquired all of Biden’s released delegates, securing over 99% of the delegates as of Monday and is now the confirmed nominee. And for those who follow them, the polls and the bookies have both shown the inflection in the race away from Trump, toward Harris.

    Basically what we’re getting here is that Trumpers, upset with how this is going, and unable to debate policy because Project 2025 is nuclear waste, are circling back on “but Biden” narratives almost 2 and a half weeks since he dropped out. It reeks of desperation from a campaign who has run out of ideas, screaming into the void about all the “Brandon” merchandise they blew all their money on. Trump simultaneously telling the media he’s too scared to debate her because “you know who I am you know who she is” while simultaneously going to his rallies and saying “we have to try hard to define her” - in essence, he’s having a nervous breakdown.

    His supporters will still be crying about Biden dropping out for weeks after Harris has already won the election the way things are going. When are they going to pick themselves up by their bootstraps? Less than 90 days to Election Day and MAGA is still almost 3 weeks into “what the hell just happened?” If they blink much longer this is going to be a one horse race.



  • Posts: 6,626 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Yet to see a shred of evidence that Harris and Walz have low IQs.

    Easy to say (if your copy pasting Republican propaganda) harder to prove.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,865 ✭✭✭Hoop66




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    ”against the votes of 14 million democrats?”

    😂

    Brőther, I have something to tell you: I voted in the primary for Biden, Biden got what, 95%, 98% of the vote? The Biden/Harris ticket?

    This is not at all against my vote. What do you think you are playing at? The Vice President taking over for the President when the President feels they are no longer able, is their top tier role. Making a **** joke of yourself here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,398 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Is it not more concerning that a rapist and felon was the preferred presidential choice of millions of Americans to Biden, who seemed to only remain universally popular among posters on Boards who couldn’t vote for him.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,781 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    Can you link me to their website, forum, or Facebook group please? I'd like to see how they're feeling after last night.



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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 43,561 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    What I'm clearly saying is that your suggestion that Biden was "the candidate of the Democtatic Party" and was removed. Biden as I said was encouraged to withdraw but there is no evidence that he was "removed". In addition, he was not the candidate of the party because the party hadn't at that point made their formal decision.

    I can't read the paywalled article you linked to but the headline would also suggest encouraging him to withdraw rather than having him removed. Maybe you can quote the sentence in the article that claims he was removed.

    I'm suggesting that your claims are disingenuous because you are playing wiht words trying to suggest a forceful removal from the campaign trail rather than what actually happened - you are trying to twist the facts to suit a particular agenda.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,967 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    I don't think anyone is saying that - Of course donors saying "I don't think you can win so I'm not going to waste my money on your campaign" had an influence.

    Just as the availability of Donors influence the decision to go IN to a political election in the US - It shouldn't be that way , but like everything else in the US the person with the most money usually wins.

    However , the decision to step down can only have been made by Joe Biden.

    Was he presented with information that the consensus was that he couldn't win and that major donors were not planning to fund him should he continue ? I'm sure he was , gathering the facts and the current landscape is a core part of a decision like this.

    As I said earlier , he could have said "F*ck off , I'm staying in the race , let's see what happens at the convention!!"

    That would have been a disaster all round and would have blown up the party and lost them the election and quite a few House/Senate seats.

    So , Joe Biden after being presented with the all facts he set aside his ego and made a decision in the best interests of his party (and by extension the Country) and stepped down to allow his party to select and confirm another candidate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,064 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Trump has only had less election against Biden, Trump lost. And realistically what turned election prospects this time was the debate. Prior to that, he stood a reasonable chance of winning. Anyway, it seems that you've moved the goal posts away from it being undemocratic to have chosen Harris.

    Anyway, Trump so far seems less and less likely to win the election. A fair few posters seem to be in a mix of denial that Biden is no longer running and that Harris has fairly secured the nomination.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,187 ✭✭✭I.R.Y.E.D


    People go with whomever they have the most in common with.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,875 ✭✭✭✭2smiggy


    there has been much talk of Donald getting people to take SATs and college exams for him, and I can't remember any denying of that talk. Donald is as dumb as a rock, vindictive and evil, but still dumb as a rock



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,064 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Iirc, you're based in Ireland so are you claiming to be a registered member of the Democrat party?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,031 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Yes it is concerning. It's very f*cking concerning. It's why posters on an Irish forum keep being engaged in discussions about it, because it is absolutely extremely concerning.

    Though the idea that Biden only "seemed to only remain universally popular among posters on Boards who couldn't vote for him" is nonsense. Again, most posters here were concerned about Biden's age but would still support him as the candidate, just like millions of Americans were concerned about Biden's age but would still support AND VOTE FOR him as the candidate. Tens of millions of Dems in America still would have voted for Biden. The issue was those few who may be deterred from voting for Biden in swing states could be the deciding factor in the election swinging to Trump.

    Now ask yourself why a rapist and felon would still be considered the preferred presidential candidate of Americans to Harris, because the answer to that is most concerning of all.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,957 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    so what would you suggest was done if a candidate no longer wanted to run?

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,398 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,398 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Give those who voted for the previous candidate an opportunity to vote for their replacement.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,398 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    It’s the annoying laugh, isn’t it.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,760 ✭✭✭nachouser


    Sure, the lad had a Russia thread closed yesterday cos they're banned from the main ukr / Russia thread. Deffo a democrat:-)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,398 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    I never claimed to be either based in Ireland or a member of the Democratic Party. I said I was a democrat.

    democrat

    noun

    dem·​o·​crat ˈde-mə-ˌkrat Synonyms of democrat1

    a: an adherent of democracy

    b: one who practices social equality

    2 capitalized  a member of the Democratic Party

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,064 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Pretty clear why that approach isn't being followed. A contested convention would basically have a party choosing a candidate and it eating into campaigning time. The reality is, the party is fully behind her. Any credible opponents have backed her and the party are not violating their rules.

    It's also pretty clear that in general, there's large scale support of her as the candidate. The only real objections are from the likes of Trump or his supporters. The average member of the party want Trump to lose, that's the reality.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,398 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Everyone who has ever been threadbanned on Boards.ie is obviously not a democrat. Is that the level of debate we are at now?

    Jesus wept.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,031 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Nobody is running against Harris though. The delegates (who represent the peoples votes) have to officially give their votes as part of the DNC. If other candidates did decide to run against Harris and enough people notified their delegate that they wanted to switch to that candidate, they likely could have done so. Also worth noting Delegates are elected officials.

    But nobody is running against Harris. And delegates haven't signalled that they're getting calls to pull their support from Harris instead.

    You're also talking about arranging a mass re-run of the Primaries at extremely short notice, which would be borderline impossible.

    It's unfortunate Biden didn't drop out or decide to just do one term before the Primaries. I know that's what I would have preferred (though given that Harris only has less than 4 months of campaigning, also less time for her to find a way to f*ck it up). But there are stringent election rules and laws, and nobody has been able to point to an actual breach of those rules and laws. Biden stepped down when he did because it was fast approaching the last chance for him to step down and he had to make the final decision as to whether or not he'd run again.

    The Democratic nominee has to be finalised at the DNC where they're voted for by the delegates. That hasn't happened yet (August 19-22). Kamala is the nominee because she's running unopposed as the only candidate to secure enough delegate support to be on the ballot.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,967 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub




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