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Russia-Ukraine War

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 362 ✭✭Jon Doe




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,437 ✭✭✭zv2


    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,367 ✭✭✭paul71


    Nobody gets the point of you repeating Russian lies and propaganda, but it does not stop you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,318 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    The alarm being Duran Duran - Ordinary World, tops that footage off.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,318 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    A 61 year old man set himself on fire on the second floor of a service center in Moscow on Friday. It's coming after recent previous incidents of people setting themselves on fire in public places in Moscow.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,724 ✭✭✭flutered


    from telegram, may be of interest to someone

    https://t.me/army_tv/4707



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,724 ✭✭✭flutered


    another one

    https://t.me/army_tv/4705



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,969 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Never been to Russia or Ukraine??? Now that explains a lot! Because I've been to both, and believe me, a month or two in either place would change your attitude and opinion….change it a lot.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,928 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    Can you provide a summary? Since telegram requires a phone number seems dodgy to be exposing phone number to Russian language channel



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 14,567 Mod ✭✭✭✭johnnyskeleton


    Thats great news. The Ukrainians had to rush all their best troops to stop the Kharkiv offensive. Thats bad. But then they successfully stopped it. Thats good. And their absence from Donesk did not result in significant gains for Russia. Thats also good.

    So cheer up, that Blogger is just trying to be neutral and he only wants a ceasefire and to prevent the loss of human life, much like yourself.

    I suppose it can be a bit depressing that Ukraine have such a well oiled and responsive war machine that they are countering everything that Russia throw at them. Since we only want peace, its depressing that Ukraine is being so unreasonable that they wont let Russia win on the battlefield.

    However, I think we can take some solace from the fact that Russia has made some peace gestures by scuttling one of its most advanced submarines and then setting fire to its oil reserves and munitions dumps around its forward airbases. Hopefully those Barnderrites will accept this gesture of goodwill and stop fighting so hard to prevent Russia winning and creating more peace than existed before the invasion began.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,318 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    Russians are receiving text messages from a number 117 calling them to sign a contract with the Ministry of Defence. It's being sent on all mobile networks. It's saying that they must sign a contract from the 1st of August that 800 thousand rubles and benefits are available straight away. It's telling them to call the same number 117.

    It's no wonder russian posters on this site and elsewhere are getting antsy when they now see they themselves getting messages to follow the great dope Putin which they won't finish him and instead go and get a suicide drone up their ass in Ukraine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,292 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Has there been much happening in Vovchansk lately? I'd imagine the city is largely levelled at this point. News on that battle seems to have gone quiet.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,571 ✭✭✭rogber


    A good weekend for Ukraine in the war, some major high profile strikes. Nice



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,813 ✭✭✭✭Mr. CooL ICE


    Ukraine managed to rig a hydrogen tank to a drone car (made from pieces of decommissioned electric cars) and blew it under a prominent russian firing position.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 14,567 Mod ✭✭✭✭johnnyskeleton


    Seems like bloody attritional war. Russian losses are heavy by all accounts



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,459 ✭✭✭✭machiavellianme


    Not by Russian accounts. Apparently they're unscathed but the Ukrainians are on their knees.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,969 ✭✭✭jmreire


    By Russo speak, you have to translate the words and sentiments into what they actually mean. This is quite easy, and remarkably accurate, so in this case you simply take the opposite meaning of the spoken or written words, and you get this:' Russia is on its knees, and Ukraine is unscathed! and there you have it!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,202 ✭✭✭amandstu


    What might they use them for first?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,516 ✭✭✭Virgil°


    Judging by those missiles I'd say mobile air defense. AIM9 are also significantly cheaper than Patriots. So shooting down cruise missiles and drones is about to get a lot cheaper.

    I suspect they'll also be launching HARMs too. Since the HARM work in a fire and forget capacity on F16. And not the jerry rigged preprogrammed HARMS they've been attaching to their aging MIGs.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,202 ✭✭✭amandstu


    Is it the case now that ,even for those who only half heartedly supported the Ukrainian defense against the Russian attack that any loss by Ukraine would now entail a well trained army that Russia would turn against Europe?

    Is Ukraine turning into one of the strongest military powers in Europe ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,969 ✭✭✭thomil


    As Virgil stated, they’re basically mobile air Defense platforms for the time being. There are likely not many of these aircraft available yet, so I’d guess that the UkrAF will be deploying them in areas where they’re not within reach of Russia. SAM systems until they have enough aircraft so that a loss won’t represent a significant loss in capability, or the loss of a pilot won’t tear a massive gap into your aircrew pool.

    That’s also why I don’t think that they’ll be sent on SEAD missions anytime soon. While the F-16 is a qualitative leap forward for the UkrAF, quantity still has a quality of its own, and Ukraine will likely not risk its limited forces.

    Good luck trying to figure me out. I haven't managed that myself yet!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,060 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    I assume a lot of training will be on integrating real life information , different radar sources and seeing what's accurate - the recent strikes on airbases and air defense limits Russian air activity , so further for russian jets to travel , giving them less time on target, + more flight time means more maintenance time ,

    Of course Ukraine has the same issue, the Ukrainian air force has to operate a long way back from the lines, both to avoid Sam's and su35s , and disperse on multiple sites and forward operating bases - and with the shorter range of f-16 , and longer runway requirement, they'll likely have a lower "dwell time "on target

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,731 ✭✭✭macraignil


    moskovyte military facility hit by missiles in Luhansk region of Ukraine this afternoon:

    Screenshot_8-1-1.jpg

    https://mil.in.ua/en/news/ukrainian-armed-forces-launch-massive-missile-attack-on-enemy-in-luhansk/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,724 ✭✭✭flutered




  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 14,567 Mod ✭✭✭✭johnnyskeleton


    Do you mean that if the war ended a well trained Russian army would set its sights on Europe? Or are you asking whether Ukraine, if forced into peace and ceding territory, would turn on Europe?

    In relation the first possibility, it is certainly an advantage that large portions of the Russian military that survives the war will have actual combat experience. How many of those soldiers will remain in the army or will be interested in a round 2 in a few years time is hard to say.

    Generally, Im not convinced by the argument that the Russian armed forces are stronger now than before the war. They have lost massive amounts of equipment, expended considerable reserves and have a populace who, while not demoralised yet, would generally be happier if the war was over and a new war didnt start.

    Russia will continue to pose a military threat to Europe for the foreseeable future and Europe needs to be prepared for same. But they need to prepare to deter the Russians, not prepare for an inevitable war against a strong opponent. They wont have the capacity for another large scale war for some time.

    On the second interpretation, I dont see it but then again Im not Ukrainian. I think Ukranians are for the most part thankful to the Western countries who helped them and are not going to turn against them because the West couldve done more etc.

    For the same reasons as with Russia, they will not be capable of fighting a high intensity war for several years afterwards, and in any event the hatred of Russia in Ukraine is likely to last for generations similar to Ireland and the British.

    So overall the threat to Europe will be low over the next few years. However, that doesnt mean that the threat should be ignored and its far better to invest in military capacity now rather than spend multiples of that in a war later.

    Sorry if Ive taken your question up wrong. One thing I will state though is that while there seems to be an increasing view that the West has given Ukraine enough to not lose but not enough to win etc, I think this ignores the substantial amounts of aid already committed/given, from a backdrop of the Western countries indicating in early 2022 that they didnt want to get involved at all and in the current context of budget/deficit concerns, cost of living politics and the need to rearm themselves, I think the Western motivation has been to give the most they reasonably can without seriously impeding their own budgets.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,202 ✭✭✭amandstu


    My fear is that the defeated Ukrainians will be coerced into helping the Russians and that their expertise will be gang pressed into their attempt to expand into NATO ,and other countries.

    Back to the Soviet Union but worse -more aggressive on its borders.

    It had crossed my mind that Ukraine might genuinely turn against us if it felt let down (it is the hope that kills you) but that may not be necessary as we have seen what totalitarianism and control of state media/vicious censorship can do to the Russian population and the depths of depravity they have accepted as normal.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 14,567 Mod ✭✭✭✭johnnyskeleton


    Perhaps, but realistically Russia can at best take a level of territory similar to what he has now plus Kharkiv and the remainder of donetsk. They will have to deal with insurgency in these places (which requires leaving occupational forces) and they will have to pay to rebuild or else face an even unhappier populace.

    So I dont see Russia taking over all of Ukraine and I dont think that the portion that they might, but also might not, be able to successfully annex long term is worth the cost to their military and budget.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,008 ✭✭✭scottser


    Russia still holds the nuclear power station at Zaporizhzhia. If they 'lose' this war you just know they're going to blow it up as a monumental '**** you' to Europe. Now I have always baulked at the idea of any EU armed force or NATO putting boots on the ground in Ukraine but if there was ever a valid reason for doing so, taking back that plant is it.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I believe Russia will ultimately win in the conflict without high scale outside intervention. Hopefully someone like Trump can broker a peace where Russia gains some minimal amount of territory and Ukraine keeps its autonomy. But I think no deal will happen if Ukraine is allowed to join NATO. That is the only peace I see happening without the loss of countless more lives.



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