Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

So,.... "THE HIGH COURT has ruled that the State is in breach of human rights law by failing to house almost 3,000 people who have sought international protection in Ireland since last year"

Do those Human Rights not include indigenous Irish or are they back of the queue?

diverity is stength and all that pip pip!

Time would be better spent lobbying IHREC who took the case to court.

They should also take a case for the 14k Irish homeless and see what the verdict is.

Equality and all that.

This sort of situation is what gives fuel to the anti immigration sentiment. I saw this headline and thought the same thing.

Im neither pro/anti on this topic as to be frank I don’t pay attention to it enough to make an objective statement either way. But what really annoys me is that there is no progressive and open discussions about it. I know it’s an extremely difficult and complex thing to try and discuss politically for all kinds of reasons, but shipping in people and sort of ignoring the discord is not the way to do it.

Economically , I hear quite often that most immigrants are cost neutral or positive to economy. That may be so, but it’s kind of a blanket statement with little to no actual data confirming.

The “this is the right thing to do, just shut up and take it” approach to housing is also a problem. While I don’t condone the kind of violence going on, planting groups of people on towns/areas without local consultation is a terrible way to try and help people integrate.

I get that “nobody wants these places near them so talking about it will just mean it will always be rejected by locals” but that’s a problem to solve , not just ride roughshod over locals.

The older I get the more cynical I get on all things political. Right/left whatever people’s political or personal views on these sort of topics, there is extremism and borderline dogmatic religious ignorance which makes it difficult to have reasonable discussions on what to do.

I still find it odd that this sort of stuff is going on and there doesn’t appear to be even one decent blueprint on how to handle this in an empathetic and fair way (to refugees and indigenous Irish). That’s a broader topic on the failure/dysfunction of modern democratic politics that extends way beyond this topic.

What are you on about you muppet?

Always said and i know nothing about economies but what goes up must come down eventually. I dont trust those big corporates and relying on their tax take to finance this stupidy is very bad accounting.

Government think their being smart too. The more people the less debt per capita. Looks good on paper but if most don't contribute. It will just worsen the overall situation.

Our rainy day fund which we spent years carefully building up in the event of another recession is all but pissed up against the wall with this asylum scam.

Sure, we could do that as well. I think there's value in any peaceful action that highlights what we're up against. In the same way that small villages would benefit from outside support to swell their ranks, support for the country as a whole wouldn't go amiss. I feel there is a lack of awareness externally as to the scale and pace of change being pushed on Ireland. Were it to be highlighted more effectively, citizens of other European countries would quite rightly wonder - are we next? Any outside support that comes from that or proper spotlight (from non Irish media) on the lunacy of current policies has to be welcome.

Excellent Post. Exactly how I feel about it all. Unfortunately I can't see any meaningful discussions/reform with so many vested interests, too many snouts at the trough so to speak. That is the stark reality.

What queue?

You'll be relieved to know the ERSI has undertaken research on employment participation for IPAs in Ireland (as shared earlier in the thread), and found strong involvement in the labour force.

While there are of course initial costs in dealing with IPAs, which should and hopefully will become far lower, but on the whole the idea of IPAs as a group who 'extract' from the economy is an unsubstantiated myth.

You really don't understand economics. Money spent here is economic activity - it stays in the economy, generates jobs, VAT receipts, profits in small/medium/large companies, helps increase our GDP. Taking money from foreign multinationals and giving it to poor asylum seekers who will invariably spend it locally is tremendously positive for our economy. Billions is not being wasted, it is being spent.