Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

MegamanBoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122454840#Comment_122454840

Where are you getting that from???

The only measure I'm proposing is that we, as in we Europe wide, apply our border controls at our borders, along with measures to stop this being abused.

Given our current deterrent policies are failing, its actually not nearly so radical as you're trying so desperately to make out.

This thing about undocumented people getting on commercial airlines is, once again, entirely a product of your imagination.

Headshot

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c2lke090kgko

Fair play to Italy, I know Harris mentioned migrate centers like this during the election but knowing him it was all talk for the idiots voting FG

Watch the illegals numbers dwindle even more for Italy now and of course Ireland as always is late to the party. A pro-active government should be in the process of setting this up but nope our lot are just absolute poison

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122454910#Comment_122454910

No. Not my imagination at all, at all.

You said several times you want undocumented passengers to be allowed board planes and ferries to Ireland. I asked if you meant government planes and you said that you meant "existing" ones i.e. private companies serving regular passenger routes.

You also claimed in your last post that "it's up to airlines and ferries who they let board" i.e you have no objection to airlines purposefully ignoring standard security protocols to allow what would inevitably become an unimaginable amount of scammers (and worse) on their flights.

Previous to this, you called for the removal of pre-authorised visitor visa requirements.

When you consider all of these points together, it's clear you're promoting an extremely dangerous open border situation wherein anyone and everyone is invited by the State to ignore immigration rules and come to Ireland for accommodation and welfare, and where regular people can no longer travel peacefully because god knows who is next to them on their flight.

The crazy airport scenario would only be the tip of the iceberg if what you're proposing somehow came to pass. Hence, I repeat, nobody can take anything you say seriously at all.

Mike Murdock

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122454960#Comment_122454960

Harris will say one thing, O'Gorman will do the opposite, and McEntee will say something completely different.

Yet, it's the Far Right causing all the problems…

Real Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122455031#Comment_122455031

What's even more annoying is once the greens are fucked out they will likely be replaced by SD, even bigger lunatics.

MegamanBoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122455024#Comment_122455024

It being up to airlines etc who they allow board does not for a second equate to saying, or even thinking, they should drop security protocols. Read the words again. You went there all by yourself.

This to me is exactly why centrist, and centre-right parties, are being more honest and up front about the realities of dealing with immigration.

I do think the intention is to exclude the far-right and anti-immigration brigade from the discourse. Why? As soon as the door is open to them they scream 'open borders', demand furthering failed deterrent policies, whose failures they'll blame on whatever scapegoat they can find; the lefties, the NGOs, the MSM, the airlines, the taxi drivers (see a few pages back in the thread), the traffickers whose business opportunities they create, and so on, and so on.

Mr. teddywinkles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122454771#Comment_122454771

Too many fingers in the pie. Property developers, hoteliers, ngos, legal system and politicians truth be told. Dont care who what is

Its all$$$$$. Totally sicken.

The only thing that will highight all this is when the money runs out.

It happened after the 2008 financial crash but this time your fooking up society not just that sector which has a lot longer consequences.

thomas 123

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122454826#Comment_122454826

You’re insulated from the current housing crisis and cost of living crisis then? At least that explains your stance. Grand to fire it around when you have it - the nation doesn’t have it to fire around though. We don’t have housing to give away, we don’t have capacity in GPs and schools to give away. And we certainly should not be firing good money after bad encouraging more people to come here with promises of their “own door accommodation”.

Patrick2010

Following yesterdays high court ruling would the Irish government satisfy their obligations by setting up large tented villages away from population centres with accommodation,food, toilet and washing facilities or would the IHRC only be happy if they are housed in Dublin? They would be free to leave at any time while their application is being considered but would not get any state support and if their application is turned down would have to leave immediately.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122455165#Comment_122455165

You're just rambling now to try and distract from the fact that you previously stated numerous times that you want anyone in the world to be able to show up to any port in the world and be transported to Ireland without documents by private travel companies.

Have you changed your mind on how you want the State to actively seek and facilitate the mass movement of thousands upon thousands more asylum seekers to Ireland?

Please clarify any changes to your plan if possible.

Mike Murdock

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122455477#Comment_122455477

They tried this already, and you had the migrants walking back to Dublin, getting lifts from journalists back to Dublin, and cabs back to Dublin.

realdanbreen

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122455310#Comment_122455310

Oh right, so you're not on the breadline then.

Mike Murdock

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122455280#Comment_122455280

Exactly. Follow the money.

Gombeenism abounds.

realdanbreen

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122455310#Comment_122455310

BTW If you believe that the housing shortage is a result of some misfortune arriving here with only the clothes on his back then you are badly mistaken. The problem is really because of greed, from landowners, financial institutions, developers, builders. A combination of greed and gazumping by these fukkers makes it nigh on impossible for young people to get a house or apartment. Similarly in health, it's been a nightmare for decades largely due to greed on the part of medical suppliers, department of health officers and consultants on mega buck wages and pensions. So maybe remember that it's greed on the part of our own that's to blame before attacking "foreigners " !

MegamanBoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122455598#Comment_122455598

More false interpretations on your behalf.

This is exactly why you lot don't have representation with any serious political party.

You claim you want a 'conversation' about immigration but really you only want to scream 'open borders' and demand more and harder failing deterrent policies.

twinytwo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122455477#Comment_122455477

Maybe they should divert the funding given to IHREC to help provide this accommodation…..

MegamanBoo

Anyone know if this guy's another one of our fine anti-immigration patriots?

Might not be of course, but there was an awful lot of talk about violence and taking action against the government yesterday.

https://www.thejournal.ie/government-buildings-rammed-6453346-Aug2024/

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122455728#Comment_122455728

It was me. I couldn't get my emails to send (must be blocked) so I decided to deliver printed versions. They wouldn't let me in!!

I'll burn em out!!

PokeHerKing

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122455685#Comment_122455685

Yes and that greed is extending into the lucrative business of migration. Which in turn puts massive very visible pressure on infrastructure.

So yes it's the politicians/money men that should get the blame but people can only do that by protest.

It's on you if you label that protest far right/racism.

When in reality it's protest against the people who have always been to blame.

Rugbyf565

time to vote out roddy O’Gorman, he’s gone next election right?

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122455823#Comment_122455823

He will not be a minister after next election. The election is in November despite Harris lying about it being next year.

MegamanBoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122455739#Comment_122455739

I expected better of you Cluedo.

You seemed to me like someone who would know that the pen is mightier than the Transit van. 😁

realdanbreen

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122455766#Comment_122455766

Of course greed is not confined to the " politicians/money men" as you call them. Also to blame are the layabouts on benefits ( BTW it is pretty much impossible NOT to find a suitable job nowadays) who are only too willing to engage in civil disobedience and protest.

thomas 123

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122455685#Comment_122455685

Did I attack “foreigners”? I think I merely stated you alone shouldn’t dictate national policy on the matter - similarly McEntee and O’Gorman should not be.

Check the thread title… there is no doubt illegal immigration is a minor factor on the multiple multi-decade crisis’ we are dealing with … but the thread is about “refugees”.

twinytwo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122455689#Comment_122455689

And yet, almost everything you have proposed so far on this thread is just as bad.

Thus it seems no conversation can be had as the left are just as bad as the right in how they want immigration to function.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122455689#Comment_122455689

Nope. The conversation is there for all to see. You wrote it. Several times.

For example, see your post #27052. When I asked you to confirm your belief i.e. our government should allow private airlines to board undocumented passengers who utter the words "asylum/Ireland", you responded with the following:

"In essence and with some practical considerations and conditions attached that's the route we need to take Europe wide".

So you want this policy to become the norm across Europe and, I can only assume, the globe. IMO anyone with the slightest ability to think critically can surely foresee that this would lead to the total breakdown of the airline industry and, well, societies. What do you think about this?

Don't forget you can always retract what you said. I mean, people can realise they've said something nonsensical and then take it back. Would you like to take it back? If not, I'd be genuinely interested in hearing more about your plan.

How would you like the government to bring masses more asylum seekers here? Would you maybe prefer State-funded planes to fly around the world picking people up? If so, what destinations should we go to since anyone in the world is entitled to claim asylum? Or will we stick with private airlines taking charge of this via regular passenger routes? And if we stick with private airlines, how would we fund the plan - does the passenger buy their own a ticket or just pop down to the airport and jump on a flight at our expense? If the latter is your plan, do the airlines cover the ticket or does the taxpayer fork it out?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122403646#Comment_122403646

rgossip30

The underestimate of the foreign born population by the CSO , one wonders was this manuplitation . I remember RTE in 2022 gleefully telling the nation it was only 12% . 

https://gript.ie/evidence-since-2001-suggests-a-consistent-under-estimate-of-migration-numbers-and-population/?ct=t(EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_5_17_2022_13_19_COPY_01)

MegamanBoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122456195#Comment_122456195

Your efforts to see something that isn't there are getting tiresome.

I used the term 'practical considerations' to allow for any security requirements; be they passports, Id cards, biometrics, security pre-clearance checks etc.

I want to discuss moving border controls for asylum seekers to our borders to remove demand for traffickers, torture and ransom by militias, and deaths at sea.

It's abundantly clear you lot can't discuss what is actually a quite reasonable proposal without doing all you can to scream about 'open borders' and state funded planes???

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122456340#Comment_122456340

Can you answer any of the questions I asked in my last post? Stop avoiding and trying to go back to being vague will you? Yes, you mentioned "practical considerations" and my questions are an attempt to clarify what this means.

So can you respond to any of the practical questions I put to you?

PokeHerKing

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122455925#Comment_122455925

And youre in favour of importing more of this cohort??