Vice President Kamala Harris vs Donald Trump 2024

Overheal · 02-08-2024 03:34PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122457227#Comment_122457227

If you assume it’s part of some scheme, could be to try and get his voter turnout to be skewed from his polling numbers to use that as a basis to cry foul and irregularities in the election results.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 02-08-2024 03:35PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122456407#Comment_122456407

I wouldn't be too concerned about Republicans making an issue out of a sexual misconduct payoff.

briany · 02-08-2024 03:50PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122457235#Comment_122457235

Sounds like it would carry as much weight as arguing that he won 2020 because his rallies were so big and Biden's so small. Polls may be indicative but I've never heard that they're in any way legally binding.

Besides, Trump and Co already tried to fight the results of the 2020 election and failed because they lacked any tangible proof.

But Trump obviously would try anything and mark my words on this - whatever seeds that Trump and MAGA have managed to sow under the banner of 'election security', we're definitely going to see whatever fruit they've managed to produce in the event that it looks like Harris winning - be that partisan circuit court judges or election officials or weird laws that GOP legislatures managed to slip under the net... We could see a lot of shitt pop up.

LambshankRedemption · 02-08-2024 04:02PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122457297#Comment_122457297

The only poll that matters is happening on November the 5th.

Water John · 02-08-2024 04:09PM

Absolutely brilliant. Simone Biles 'loves her black job'.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/article/2024/aug/02/simone-biles-trump-black-job

Manic Moran · 02-08-2024 04:13PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122457204#Comment_122457204

Do not confuse my lack of concern that a national ban is likely with a lack of concern on the subject of abortion itself. I would not support such a move. Indeed, I'm not a fan of the current position of my own State, which is a concern I can vote on (i.e., per that chart above, abortion may be a notable concern of mine when in the voting booth, but it will have a greater influence on my state house representative selection than on my presidential vote) That, however, is an entirely different issue to my belief that a national abortion ban is not a likely possibility. When voters in Ohio or Kentucky are making their positions clear on the matter, I think it unlikely that their representatives, if they want to be re-elected, are going to risk their careers on such a thing. Just take a headcount of Senators. Take the positions of all the Senators not sitting for re-election and count the ones with an anti-abortion position. Assume that every anti-abortion sentatorial candidate in a competitive race this year wins their race. Are there enough people in favour of a ban to enact one? If not, the problem's not relevant at the national stage.

I would rather vote at the national level on matters on which the outcome is more practically open to alternate options, such as foreign policy. Things like abortion, gun control, school curricula… those are factors to consider in the ballot box, but at the state level where there's a reasonable effect of the vote.

Health care remains a huge national problem - Obamacare did a little, not nearly enough. Housing is unaffordable in districts where there is employment. Nothing that the GOP and it's Project 2025 agenda propose solve any of that, nor are they particularly interested in doing so.

Nor should they be under the conservative idea of state independence. US States are the size of European countries and are well capable of solving many of these problems should they wish to. They all have their own Depts of Health, Housing, etc, for our taxes to be put to use. Some states, (gasp), have started addressing issues such as health, education, etc on their own. Last week, Michigan's Whitmer just signed into law a $25bn education budget with things like free meals and community college. If the State can do that, why do people think they need to look to the Federal Government for the USDA's National School Lunch program? Obamacare was modelled after Massachussets' state-level program, MA's healthcare is ranked behind only that of Hawai'i. West Virginia's is ranked at the bottom. That's apparently not important to West Virginians or they would have fixed it.

Overheal · 02-08-2024 04:20PM

Reportedly Trump had Barr sabotage an FBI investigation into $9.998 Million cash that was allegedly paid to Trump as he took office in 2017

https://www.mediaite.com/news/mysterious-10-million-cash-withdrawal-triggered-doj-investigation-into-whether-trump-took-egyptian-funds/

Tell me how · 02-08-2024 05:30PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122451643#Comment_122451643

I still find it fascinating. In a weird way.

Don't get me wrong, I don't enjoy him, or his influence, it's the contrary in fact. What I mean calling it fascinating is how society has evolved in the context of him (and others) over the last ten years.

There is so much objective evidence demonstrating his unsuitability for office and yet, here we are. To see how so many people are willing to ignore reality to tolerate/support/adore him, as they do is mind boggling.

Overheal · 02-08-2024 05:34PM

Trump seems to be really really pissed that Kamala Harris is campaigning in part on the line that she is a Prosecutor and he is a Convicted Felon

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-complains-kamala-harris-calls-him-felon-court-docs-2024-8?amp&utm_source=reddit.com

Trump, through this filing, also seems to think that a Judge cannot be impartial based on their close family member’s political activities.

Hmm….

LambshankRedemption · 02-08-2024 05:45PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122457600#Comment_122457600

What is he up to? Trying to get the judge to recuse himself from the hush money charge? Case closed right?

Overheal · 02-08-2024 05:46PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122457625#Comment_122457625

tryna build his dead on arrival appeal case

Strazdas · 02-08-2024 05:55PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122457594#Comment_122457594

There must be speculation as to whether Trump is the cause of all the nutty stuff and conspiracy theories on social media or a mere product of it. Either way, he is the perfect figurehead for all the nuttiness and the weird direction politics has gone in.

02-08-2024 06:20PM

The fundi's have litrally gone into end times madness. They think all the ducks are in a row for Armageddon and everything is a sign. The Democrats are Satan's representatives and we are about to see Israel wiped from the face of the earth.

You cannot in any way underestimate the impact this demographic have on the body politic and the tone of the discourse. If you don't understand it you cannot understand why Trump is where he is.

Then there are all the other CT Qanon craziest who have clustered around him. It's national psychosis all brought on by the marginalisation of white christian families and the mega churchs who's days are numbered.

A detailed analysis of this demographic;

https://vcresearch.berkeley.edu/news/crisis-faith-christian-nationalism-and-threat-us-democracy just remember that every single one of these fanatics will turn out to vote (from the article they represent 17% of the population but 25% of the overall vote share), since their souls and the soul of the nation depends on it.

So the enemy of the left is letharge and the cure is getting more of the majority population to vote. This is why there is a definite ceiling in Trumps vote but Harris could add 10% or more if she hits the various demographics correctly.

Overheal · 02-08-2024 06:47PM

Result of the DNC virtual nomination is in, no surprises here:

https://www.mediaite.com/election-2024/breaking-kamala-harris-officially-secures-enough-delegate-votes-to-become-democratic-nominee/

Overheal · 02-08-2024 07:34PM

Flee! Flee! Flee!

https://twitter.com/SarafinaChitika/status/1819411365532246513?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1819411365532246513%7Ctwgr%5E90c015ac0ed8c14568fe6afd2e56a32510c266ae%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.mediaite.com%2Fpolitics%2Fharris-campaign-tells-scared-trump-to-man-up-and-debate-her-in-response-to-maria-bartiromo-interview%2F

kowloon · 02-08-2024 08:29PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122451599#Comment_122451599

I've been listening to that, it's full name is "The Rest is Politics US". I fall asleep frequently so I miss bits, but it's a good podcast, as is the main The Rest is Politics which is about the UK and has different hosts.

briany · 02-08-2024 09:14PM

Trump questioning Harris's ethnicity is taking up a lot of headlines, so much so that it's slightly obfuscating another potential headline which is that Trump didn't appear to know what D.E.I. meant, or that he possibly thought it was a word instead of an acronym. He kept asking the host for a definition, and the host would reply, 'it means diversity, equity and inclusion' and Trump would then again ask for a definition.

It just reinforces the idea that the American right wing either don't know or care what it means because that way it can mean whatever you want it to. Saying D.E.I. is a bad idea sounds a lot more palatable than saying diversity, equity and inclusion is a bad idea.

kowloon · 02-08-2024 09:58PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122458244#Comment_122458244

I thought he was trying to get her to define the constituent parts of DEI, but now I'm not so sure. If anyone could not know the meaning of a term central to the culture war they claim to be fighting it would be Trump.

briany · 02-08-2024 10:30PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122458354#Comment_122458354

That's exactly what I'm saying. It's not just Trump, although not everyone who just uses the acronym for sloganeering would be as ignorant not to know what it means, but canny enough not to use the actual words, because it's a tough proposition to be against 'diversity, equity and inclusion' in a country that historically has had an ethnically diverse population with a historical record of discrimination along ethnic lines.

Which brings me to an additional point that those who criticise Diversity, Equity and Inclusion (accepting that there can be overreach and clumsy methods of its implementation) always seem to take the conclusion that it should be scrapped. Why not suggest how it could be improved so that it better serves everyone? When it's pointed out that the philosophy has led to people from a background like Trump's current VP pick getting more opportunities, it might give the American right-wing pause for thought that he is a 'DEI hire' and turn around that term which appears to currently be used as a racial slur.

Water John · 02-08-2024 10:33PM

Vance is a creature of Peter Thiel. He has the potential VP of the US in his pocket.

Overheal · 02-08-2024 10:34PM

https://thefederalist.com/2021/07/24/senate-candidate-blasts-childless-left-who-have-no-physical-commitment-to-the-future-of-this-country/

"I just think back to when I was in Afghanistan: I didn't have kids, a lot of the people I served with, didn't have kids, but I can tell you every single one us of knew that our commitment to the future of this country was pretty [fcuking] physical." - Pete Buttigieg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0HRnp3IY5Q

02-08-2024 11:05PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122458482#Comment_122458482

Haven't been following this thread for a while but in case it hasn't already been mentioned, JD Vance is clearly projecting his internalised homophobia with the children line. Hey look at me I'm not gay, I've got kids.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syOwtCGDzWQ

Overheal · 02-08-2024 11:45PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122458581#Comment_122458581

He's not gay though, he just wears eyeliner.

LambshankRedemption · 03-08-2024 02:26AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122458685#Comment_122458685

And he only f*cks counches who identify as female.

McFly85 · 03-08-2024 06:17AM

https://www.rte.ie/news/us/2024/0803/1463293-trump-harris-debate/

Will be fascinating to say the least!

silverharp · 03-08-2024 07:06AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122458906#Comment_122458906

I never watch the full things live but should make for s popcorn reading of X the next day. ;-)

Quin_Dub · 03-08-2024 07:10AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122458942#Comment_122458942

And therein lies the problem.

Most people will only see carefully selected, out of context snippets via social media posts creating a completely false narrative of the actual facts.

silverharp · 03-08-2024 07:22AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122458945#Comment_122458945

trying to spot the false narratives is fun too, most of US politics are fake narratives you see it posted here too but its part of the fun.

JVince · 03-08-2024 07:22AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122457176#Comment_122457176

The only things that matters are those things considered important in the six swing states.

What people in California or Boston or Washington states think, is of no consequence as there is no chance of losing those states.

The election will be about what matters to voters in Arizona, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Nevada, Wisconsin and Georgia.

EltonJohn69 · 03-08-2024 07:53AM

“They’re the weird ones. Nobody’s ever called me weird. I’m a lot of things, but weird I’m not. And I’m upfront. And he’s not either, I will tell you. J.D. is not at all. They are,” Trump said, defending both himself and his running mate J.D. Vance.

“If you’ve ever seen her with the laugh and everything else, that’s a weird deal going on there,” Trump said.

It really is a check mate insult. Trump is defenceless against it.

Vice President Kamala Harris vs Donald Trump 2024

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