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2024 Irish EV Sales

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 248 ✭✭Ryano87


    Sorry see post above.. what did ye end up buying? Thanks



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,219 ✭✭✭mun1


    we went for the dolphin ,great trade in value. I would have chosen the mg4 but my OH liked the feel of the byd



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,895 ✭✭✭joe1303l


    Some really bleak numbers there…..
    The greenwashing effect of petrol hybrids must be really taking hold because diesel car sales numbers are also in tatters.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 185 ✭✭yermanthere


    Plug in hybrids are a pain for full electric too, when it comes to charger use.

    One of the sites I work at has a staff charger. Phev plugged in for hours. And small battery means it's emptied every day. My battery charges 3 times faster (11kw), so in the same time I've got nearly 200km range. So I wouldn't be plugging in every day.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,606 ✭✭✭micks_address


    A fair few people I know are buying plug in hybrids because they can cover their daily commute or local journeys on battery only.. they never or rarely use the petrol/engine unless they do long journeys which might only be couple of times a year. Important to do at least one engine powered journey a month in these cars or the mechanical side and fuel side will become unhappy. Was thinking about pricing and EVs are probably about the same price as ice new now and definitely cheaper than plug in hybrids which is basically a conjoined EV and ice car so the price is going to be higher. The cost of removing potential range anxiety is pretty high



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,895 ✭✭✭joe1303l


    You’ld be better off to give the PHEV owner a €5 petrol voucher to let you charge or get in to work earlier….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,771 ✭✭✭Buddy Bubs


    We don't let the PHEV staff member charge in work, he will just hog the chargers every day. Mitsubishi outlander and it needs the best part of the day to charge the small battery. It doesn't even cover his commute



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,543 ✭✭✭dor83


    My last car was a PHEV and if I hadn't owned it first I'd have been reluctant to go full electric this time. It suited me perfectly as my daily commute is 22km so that and local driving were always on the electric as I always charged it at home. I'm happy with the EV now but I can also see the benefits of a PHEV for some people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,512 ✭✭✭sk8board


    Personally I don’t think caring about the environment has much to do with a car buying decision; EVs or not. As for BEVs, it’s abundantly clear that ‘tailpipe emissions’ is not the primary reason given when asked why you bought it.

    EVs have greenwashing too, with some rather big holes being dug in the ground in the Congo or wherever - drivers are not too concerned.

    Considering where we are in the rollout of BEV, If you can do the vast majority of your miles on electric and have a ‘range extender’ for long journeys, people seem to be very happy to go that way at the moment. I don’t see the point personally, but as we always say, the people on a motor forum are not representative of the average car buyer in any way!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,512 ✭✭✭sk8board


    (The quote thing in broken again)

    Replying to the comment about diesel sales in tatters - Diesel car sales are up year on year



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,330 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    I went looking for a PHEV but ended up with an BEV because the used PHEV were so much more expensive it didn't make sense, for me. Used because a year ago the new prices made no sense to me.

    Unless I was doing a regular long distance journey having a BEV that can be charged faster does 95% of my journeys with less charging, and lower running costs. Makes more sense.

    If I was doing regular long distance where range and time was important, I'd just buy an ICE. Theres no govt disincentive not to buy one and it's more economical on long runs and simpler than a hybrid.

    If I wanted a PHEV it would have to have 150km range and fast charging. Things I only realise from running a BEV. But I'm not sure it's worth the extra It would cost. I think I could get a BEV with 300km range and very fast charging DC and AC for much less and it would be fine for 98% of journeys, a lot cheaper to run. That last 2-5% of journeys where it's pain I could live with.

    But I totally get why people choose a MHEV or PHEV. Its a less risky compromise.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,330 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    I noted that while in London this year there were far more EVs than last year. Perhaps due partially to the extension of the ULEZ. Though modern ICE can use it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,460 ✭✭✭creedp


    A bit of EV racism being practiced here😁 Reality is most EV owners don't need to plug in in work to cover there commute either but are cheapskates and won't charge at home for between 6 and 20c per kwh.

    Personally I don't see why EV driving emloyees feel their employer should be obliged to fund the cost of non work related driving. Great deal to come into work on turtle mode and dump 80kwh of free electricity into their car. Imagine the termity of a phev driver inhibiting access to this freebie🤣



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,606 ✭✭✭micks_address


    wait till vehicle to grid is available and you can put 60kwh into your car at work for free and dump it to the grid for 15 euro..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,460 ✭✭✭creedp


    Will probably be taxable too but even so would be a profitable little hustle. Better make sure any EV driving luddite without vtg will be excluded from chargers😁



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,393 ✭✭✭MightyMunster


    Plenty of work chargers aren't free, nice option for people without home charging



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,460 ✭✭✭creedp




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,771 ✭✭✭Buddy Bubs


    Employer is me....and 3 other directors with EVs and 2 other company cars. I have 2 EVs and so does 1 other director.

    1 staff member now with an EV that is not an owner or a director and she is allowed charge at work as a perk, no problem allowing her to do that

    3 chargers installed and a guy arrived with his outlander phev looking to charge at work to do his commute home, I said no. He works mainly away from premises too in a van.

    We would be down to 2 chargers in that case, not happening.

    Certainly open to installing more chargers as more staff get EVs if needed, happy for them to see it as a perk. If we ever get to EV vans, which we are possibly going to do soon with an ID Buzz, they will be needed for that too.

    But charging PHEVS basically means that car has their own dedicated charger.

    I had a phev before and had to plug in every day I know what they're like. Hours of charging for a few KMs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,469 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    Suits us perfectly. 6 if not 7 days a week is all on battery, charged by solar. But due to the nature of my wife's job she can get a call at short notice at all hours to go to several sites the next day. They're usually at either end of the country so she'll be gone from dawn to that night and the PHEV in hybrid mode is perfect.

    Added bonus now is that she won't need to worry about the EV Charger police.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,895 ✭✭✭joe1303l


    I can understand your stance but there may implications if you’ve been seen to treat 2 staff members differently. A perk for one and not the other…. If you’ve provided a work van for the owner of the Outlander that he is allowed to bring home, then it’s a non issue.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,330 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    No different to parking for some and not for others.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 867 ✭✭✭Nickindublin


    Just have an out door 3 pin plug for the Phev. I dont know anything about charging speeds as i never had one but a client of mine has bought a Phev and is putting in 3 pin plugs to charge overnight.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,460 ✭✭✭creedp


    I was aware of your status and obviously it's the owners perogative to make such calls. Would think though, as the number of EVs increase, this is going to be a much more contentious IR issue in the future. Just like ecars/Lidl and the like introducing charges stopped locals hogging free chargers they didn't need, employers may have to consider charging for chargers to avoid employee friction and prioritise chargers for actual work purpose. No need to publicly ban phev owners from chargers if more expensive to charge at work that a decent domestic night rate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 366 ✭✭derekreilly


    EVs Sold  Everyday _20240901_182809_0000.jpg

    Don't be fooled by the headlines! The EV revolution in Ireland is happening. Don't let negative media coverage overshadow the incredible progress being made. 65 new EVs are sold each day this year on average and nearly 14,000 for 2024. Yes it was more last year after a lack of supply towards the end of 2022, I feel 2023 were inflated numbers. Let's break down the myths, spread some positivity and support the future of electric transport.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 407 ✭✭Gerrymandering reborn


    So is this headline misleading?

    https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2024/0902/1467934-new-electric-vehicle-sales-down-over-25-so-far-this-year/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,432 ✭✭✭✭fits


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 343 ✭✭prosaic


    In terms of market share, it isn't quite so bad.

    2023 Aug overall registrations 8261 of which 1782 were EV. EVs were 21.6% of overall.

    2024 Aug overall registrations 7567 of which 1259 were EV. EVs were 16.8% of overall.

    That's a 4.9% reduction in market share for registrations.

    Edit: I had writen Jan-Aug. Corrected to say August only.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 343 ✭✭prosaic


    The Jan to August figures:

    2024: overall 112,171, EV 15,129. EVs were 13.5% of overall

    2023 : overall 113,199, EV 20,266. EVs were 17.9% of overall

    Loss of market share for EVs was 4.4% for Jan to August. So the loss of market share was slightly smaller for Jan-Aug than for August on its own.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 867 ✭✭✭CivilEx


    @derekreilly has made a fair point that 2023 numbers probably contained pent up post COVID demand. The long run rate is positive, albeit not at that rate we might have hoped for.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,512 ✭✭✭sk8board


    just to be clear, mathematically speaking - a market share drop of 4.4% from 17.9% to 13.5%, is a drop of 24.5%.

    The argument always seems to miss the fact that EVs are the future and sales should in theory continue to increase in terms of market share, in good sales years and bad.

    The prices on offer have dropped significantly for the big 2023 sellers (ID4, M3, MY etc), and the choice has increased hugely, yet market share has dropped 25% - this tells you there’s a serious demand issue among the general population now that most if not all early adopters have their cars.

    Don’t even get us started on the demand issue in the second hand market.

    I’m very much pro EV btw, but the “don’t be fooled by the headlines” stuff just grinds my gears (ICE pun intended 🙄).

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