Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

Sounds to me you are cherry-picking bits but ignoring the general strand of what happened.

The Zionists engaged in the process and lobbied hard for their cause.

The Arab delegation mostly refused and found the outcome to not to their liking.

When a decision was made, they then launched a war on the new state of Israel, which they lost.

They have made strategic error after error for decades, and then one wonders why they are in this position.

At the end of the day, UN Resolution 181(II) was passed and was an attempt in creating a 2 state solution, a solution you and I agree on. It is a bit rich to talk about the minutes of meetings 80 years ago as some bad attempt to sweep under the carpets all the errors the Arab leaders made since then.

All this stuff about the "Arabs in 1948" is gaslighting nonsense.

Russia basically invaded Ukraine in 2014 (Crimea + "little green men" in Eastern Ukraine).

Imagine if, at that time, the so-called world powers, on their own, decided to "do a deal" among themselves by granting what was already occupied by Russians, plus a bit more, to those Russians.

Ukraine says no. The West backs the Russians and Ukraine gets annihilated in the resulting conflict. The ones remaining are pushed into a small province. Over the following years, The Russians continues to take more of the little bit the Ukrainians were left on. Kill them at will with very little fear of consequence. Manufacture reasons to go periodically to kill a few tens of thousands of them. All backed by the West.

Then in 2024 we could have had internet warriors posting on boards.ie how it's all the dirty stupid hohol's fault for not accepting the peace deal.

Could you not use the intel you have to take out Good oul Benjamin as well … you know , the sooner it ends the better

So, despite all your protestations, you actually agree in principle with the aims of UN Resolution 181(II), that is the partition of Palestine between Jewish and Arab areas.

If only most Palestinians shared your view there might be peace.

I am not sure what your point is.

Are you saying nations and organisations are wrong to lobby for their cause?

The Palestinians been rejecting deals ever since. We all saw on October 7th what the Palestinians really want. A huge amount want to rape and pillage and kill the Jews. 80% of Arabs in the west Bank support Hamas in some polls. Thats real mad stuff. Wow..theres a group that I wouldn't be rushing to do a deal with.

Lads what about the 2 million Arabs that are Israeli citizens. Why aren't they arming and kicking off Against their Zionist oppressors? Wheres their Ricahrd Boyd Barratt to lead them. ll tell you ...his type arent wanted . They have it too good in Israel. They've jobs, freedom to assemble and liberal western values and they don't want to jeopardise that. Most of the criticism of Israel from Irish posters is bizarre anti West , left wing nonsense . How many have been to Israel..lived there? Iv been there many times and it's a beacon of hope surrounded by a cesspool of Islamic states

Israel has never treated the Palestinians any other way than with brutality. Continually locking up innocent people and stealing the WB lands is hardly going to win many friends. Israel is a brutally repressive state and the entire world has seen that now.

I wonder what their tactic will be this time around. Initial wave of slow moving drones from Iran just gives Israel hours and hours of time to prepare and for Israel and allies to just shoot them down.

If only most Israelies wpuld stop their colonisation of the West Bank, Arab East Jerusalem etc

the palestinian and other hostages held by israel, many for years including children, who are subject to rape and torture on a daily basis, have none of those.

even many non-hostages in israel don't have access to those.

israel is not a beacon of hope or of anything, it is a terrorist state who is responsible for the majority of trouble in the middle east and all on the back of the american tax payer.

Shocked picachu faces when Israel counter attacks

how israel got their man in iran - looks like mossad has been patient and busy

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/01/world/middleeast/how-hamas-leader-haniyeh-killed-iran-bomb.html

This killing though technically impressive really changes nothing long term. Hezbollah and Iran are going nowhere and will remain a threat no matter how Israel bloodies their noses now. 10% of the Israeli Jewish population live on illegal settlements so I can't see them being dismantled and thus no peace in our lifetimes. The current Palestinian and Israel leaders really have done nothing to provide any hope of long term peace.

People must be mad to immigrate to that region.

The process only consulted the Zionists. The delegation refused on the grounds of a 2 state solution was the only one being proposed and no other would be entertained.

You need to correct this statement.

The Arab leadership and delegation refused to engage with the UNSCOP. They thought putting their fingers in their ears and shouting "Lalalala" was a good strategy for getting their way.

They were clear in their demands.

No compromise, they wanted full rule over all of Palestine and they were openly talking about 'expelling' hundreds of thousands of Jews from the land.

They wanted a one party state, ruled by Arabs, for Arabs with only a smattering of Jews here and there.

Do you think that was a reasonable position to take? Do you not think it as extreme, unworkable and utterly naive, even for 1947?

You support a 2 state solution, but you appear to also support the Arab position of 1947 where there should only one state, an Arab state.