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Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,135 ✭✭✭Peter Flynt


    That's your boarding pass. . . . You're taking the piss aren't you?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,050 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    Politicans with the most clout dont live in, or near, to Dublin? I am not sure what planet you are on there my friend.

    I think i understand your point about the optics, but at the end of the day, people can only vote for a party that runs for election. No major party is advocating aslyum policy change, so there really is no change coming for the forseeable; peaceful protest or otherwise. They make very little difference when all is said and done.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,050 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    Indeed. Whether you agree with the policy or not, it is a vote winner.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,263 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    Yes, when I enter BE or DE or FR, they scan my passport into a computer, I presume to record my entry.

    I arrived into Knock last week, they looked at passport, and waved me on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    people living in tents in a city dont have any privacy rights , if they were near me Ive no problem finding out what is going on , know your neighbour and all that

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,487 ✭✭✭Vote4Squirrels


    Yes they are - that's your boarding card you're thinking of.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,291 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    I imagine the checks are a lot stricter for non-EU citizens though. Anyone trying to enter who is not from Ireland, the UK or the EU probably gets a lot more scrutiny.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,254 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    Ah I remember the good 'ol days when the IrelandIsFull brigade used to pretend to care about the homeless.

    You know what? I think it'll take a leaf out of your book.

    There's a little homeless camp close to me and I know by the Dublin accents some of them aren't from around here. I'm off down there later to barge my way in and give them a good aggressive questioning about who they are, where they're from, and what they're doing in 'my' community.

    All of which will be posted online because who cares about them trying to live with a bit of dignity? Or their loved ones seeing the hate comments?

    I know my rights and I'm entitled to do that to the homeless, f**k them and their families.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,327 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    To be fair, any foreigner choosing to fly to Mayo would obviously have to be escaping a serious life or death situation. So no point checking passports there. They would be at the top of the queue for asylum.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55,657 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    https://www.midlands103.com/news/midlands-news/drop-in-garda-national-immigration-bureau-while-asylum-seeker-numbers-remain-high/

    https://www.newstalk.com/news/a-lot-more-can-be-done-sinn-fein-slams-incomprehensible-garda-immigration-cutbacks-1749330

    Imagine fewer that 100 Gardaí assigned to the National Immigration. This is just beyond incompetence by our Government at this stage. There's something really rotten at the core of all of this.

    If we believe SF numbers just 948 deportation orders were issued to the 5,711 people who saw their application for asylum in Ireland refused last year.

    Meanwhile, just 52 of those orders were enforced by the GNIB.

    It just gets worse and worse, i'm sure all these illegals would be good boys/girls and leave voluntary, I'm sure they wouldn't lie to us



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 376 ✭✭giseva


    2 posts in a row with "asses roar" in it..... genuinely never had the term, I've lived a sheltered life 😅



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,767 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    If a lorry driver was caught with illegal immigrants in the back of his lorry would he not be charged with being an accomplice to traffickers but a Belfast taxi driver can just drive them openly over the border? Wonder how much the traffickers paid him?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,496 ✭✭✭sonofenoch


    How much is the fare from Belfast airport? to live in a tent and collect 30 odd euro a week….what's the craic??



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,140 ✭✭✭Jizique




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55,657 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    The Tonight Show just the perfect example why the Greens are going to be destroyed in the general election, this party is abomination and fingers crossed they'll be cease to exist after the election.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,140 ✭✭✭Jizique


    Hazel is horrific, but she is only a councillor, in an area with a huge number of immigrants



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55,657 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    ah she's thinking for votes….

    Same migrates probably helped to vote her in



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 129 ✭✭LongfordMB


    And your one Ciara Doherty going out of her way to try to slur the residents of dundrum with the r word.

    Its a horrendous situation. This is the worst crisis this country has faced since the 1920s. We are on the brink of complete social disorder.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 129 ✭✭LongfordMB


    Hazel chu wonders why the people of dundrum were ok with Ukrainians and not ipas. Let me break it down for her.

    They are criminally unvetted, human trafficked, men

    Taking each part of that in turn:

    Criminally Unvetted - no criminal checks occur before or during their stay in ireland. There have been numerous cases where people in ipas were fleeing prosecution, not persecution, in another country.

    Human trafficked - unlike Ukrainians these people were human trafficked into the country illegally. Passports dumped, we have no idea of true identity. The irish taxpayer is supporting human trafficking, which supports lots of other criminal activity.

    Men - this is the nub of the issue. When all is said and done the vast majority are not genuine refugees at all. They are male economic migrants alongside a minority of male nefarious characters.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,653 ✭✭✭riddles


    most asylum seekers go home on holidays to the place they are fleeing persecution from once their position is normalised. The whole things a farce.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,108 ✭✭✭Gen.Zhukov


    VM missing a open goal here - They've been playing the softly softly pro-government approach on immigration for a long time, similar to RTE - Huge bailout given to RTE and f/all to VM. They were well pissed off about it - If I were them I'd be letting John McGuirk, Peadar Tóibín, Michael McDowell, Michael McNamara and Niall Boylan present the Tonight show on a rotating basis for the foreseeable future



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,013 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay


    most asylum seekers go home on holidays to the place they are fleeing persecution from once their position is normalised. 

    Do they? Can you provide anything to back that claim up with?

    It does not sound practical so curious to know how you have these statistics.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,263 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    Yes, this is well known. Sure they often admit that.

    Here is an example of a bogus AS doing exactly that:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellie_Kisyombe

    She travelled to Ireland on a student visa in 2010.[1] She then travelled to the United Kingdom to apply for asylum there. After being arrested there, she claimed asylum in Ireland.[3] She was placed in direct provision and was housed in the centre in Ballyhaunis, County Mayo. She was later diagnosed with depression. She has twin children, a son and a daughter, who joined her in Ireland.[4] In July 2019, she was granted leave to remain in Ireland[5] and subsequently took a trip back home to Malawi.[6]



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,013 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay


    That one single example from 14 years ago does not appear to backup the other posters claim.

    "most asylum seekers go home on holidays to the place they are fleeing persecution from once their position is normalised"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,254 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    You'll have no problem sharing some links verifying this 'well documented phenomenon' so?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,475 ✭✭✭✭Blazer


    at no point in time did I mention spending that money on housing the world's poor.

    I'm making the point that we need to change it at the top than at the bottom.

    Lets say we ban all asylum seekers coming into Ireland (its against EU law so we're screwed there but lets pretend that's not the case).

    We still have massive shortages of housing, a wasteful public sector and politicians who are only in it for the money once they realize they can't affect real change unless they're part of the in power government.

    The whole country is like a house of cards…and right at the bottom holding it up are two incredibly important pillars ( PAYE tax and CORP tax). If even one of these falls its game over. Especially Corp Tax as the impact on PAYE revenue will be catastrophic. The government makes signs that they're conscious of how flakey corp tax is but they do squat about it and are actually overspending above max requirements to buy the next election.

    What we actually need is a re-imaging of how our tax money is spent. Stuff like giving RTE 750 million over 3 years is absolutely ridiculous considering that money is urgently needed elsewhere.

    Signing open-ended contracts much like the BAM fiasco is farcical.

    There is so much wrong in this country that to write it all out would take hours to list each point and see how we could fix it.

    I pay a lot of tax in this country…I believe that its my duty to, but what I absolutely begrudge is how that money is wasted year on year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,583 ✭✭✭10000maniacs


    So lets get this straight. One in every hundred asylum seekers who are refused asylum are deported. Bloody hell. What's the point in even having an immigration department?

    They may as well let the whole continents of Asia and Africa into Ireland for all good the Irish asylum process is doing.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,254 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    With staff shortages in AGS and all the crime they have to deal with, I'd think it justifiably lower down the priority list to be deporting people no more likely to be involved in crime than anyone else.

    Focusing on deporting people who've actually committed crime makes a lot more sense under the circumstances.

    On top of that deportations are expensive and there's a lot already being spent on accommodation, especially with all the huge additional costs brought on by the bogus 'peaceful protestors'.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,274 ✭✭✭Quags


    Surely your baiting here?

    So because crime still happens, we just let those not allowed in the country to actually stay here cause well its not priority?

    This image is the last 6 years of spending of on deportations. But look at the number of orders issues to the number actually deported. So dont come here telling people crime is an issue and understaffing when its all on the Gov and their policies

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