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Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55,814 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    I can understand people thinking Ireland is "Fucked"

    We're not in a great place at the moment. Our housing emergency is getting worse, our health care is probably in the worse state we've seen to date with UHL being a prime example and the worse of them all illegal immigration.

    This country is at a cross roads with immigration, this government is forcing unvetted males onto local communities causing deep anxiety and despair. This government has a choice follow European counties have done such as Denmark, Hungary etc but they have done nothing to stop this blight and instead making it worse and worse.

    The government arent listening to the Irish people and instead listening to people who have a vested interest in this blight continuing such the NGOs and people who are making money out of this.

    Before we know it the general election will be soon upon us but I know what's going to happen in between, the government will do a give away budget and will do something as a token gesture on immigration to which they hope idiotic voters will be fooled but I don't think they know how much they're hated at the moment, this will be like the referendum all over.

    Unfortunately we have no opposition party who is going to take advantage of this, most people will be voting for independents but some voters like to see the world burn and will still vote in 1 party FF/FG (who are the fooling at this point that they are 2 separate parties) and they will get into a power again but hopefully will a very large bloody nose.

    Ireland as we know is dying, this governments immigration policy is leading the race to the bottom and soon enough we'll be like Sweden in their immigration crisis.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 678 ✭✭✭engineerws


    I lived in Dublin 1976 - 2023 with a couple of breaks here and there.

    Dublin is way safer than when I grew up.

    Multiculturalism can be a challenge but by and large the new arrivals are nice. For us when in D8, there were so many different communities including local multi generational communities. It's not exactly easy but can be rewarding. Probably, the most upsetting things were the evictions, long term friends paying rent being evicted with nowhere to go and the lack of wild space for kids (we moved to a more country area). I was starting to feel like a sardine!

    The issue I would see is capacity and proper regulation. Putting 500 men from anywhere into a disused factory doesn't seem like a great idea to me but maybe I don't understand the situation properly.

    I remember coming back to Dublin after a year travelling around the world, Dublin seemed like the most dangerous place we'd been and that was 2005 and mainly Irish people having the craic and going bonkers 😅. Anyway, Ireland is changing, I don't think it's ruined.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,135 ✭✭✭Peter Flynt


    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/simon-harris-interview-taoiseach-says-immigrants-will-soon-be-asked-to-pay-for-state-provided-services/a719288212.html

    Harris is at it again regarding immigrants - he knows it's a vote winner. Immigrants will be asked to pay for state provided services - well BIG DEAL. Isn't that what the rest of us do?

    What Harris is going to do routinely do before the elections is to appear to act tough on immigrants (with the emails going into the indo and IT) whilst simultaneously behind the screens ensuring they are well looked after. Note the issue also - the issue is "immigrants have to pay for things" and not "we are halting the number of immigrants coming into Ireland because there is nowhere to house our own citizens". He'll still remain as an EU bootlicker on immigration but this will work with a heck of a lot of dumb voters out there.

    In fairness to Harris he's not the only one up to this. Mary Lou is at the same - put immigrants in rich areas. . . . and that's it. Not a word on capping numbers - too afraid. For both of them it's all about votes. In MLMcD's case it's about protecting SFs working class base.

    You cannot have change when literally everyone in the current Dáil supports the current policy on immigration and that is likely to remain the case after the GE. People before Profit lambast the lack of housing and support unfettered immigration. To them there is no connection. They literally SUPPORT a policy of profiteering landlords and hoteliers at the expense of people in local communities. If anything they're profit before people.

    FF - I don't even know if they have a policy. Their forever leader, Martin, doesn't do stuff like policies.

    Labour?

    Ireland is a very welcoming country. There basically hasn't been a bad word said about immigrants for the first two decades of this century as we went from a small number (% wise) to a number greater than the UK. The show, however, is over. The country is irreversibly changed and there's no going back because there's no one going to advocate such a policy.

    What will the future hold? Mass numbers of emigrant Irish born and continued numbers of immigrants because this is the policy of FF/FG/GP/Lab/Left/Media/Official Ireland. It is a deliberate policy.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,903 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    Some of the smartest people I’ve worked with in 40 years had a strong Dublin accent, some of the stupidest had a D4 or rural accent. Unlike you I don’t judge people by their accent.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,122 ✭✭✭Gen.Zhukov


    Sunday Times article today - Interesting read

    Not pay-walled (for me anyway) on 1st view, but is on 2nd view so maybe a 1 article free as they're running a special sub offer atm



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,135 ✭✭✭Peter Flynt


    Returning to Dublin Airport recently and at the passport checks there is a real sense of "What's the point of this? Everyone is getting in anyway - even without passports".

    Ever notice another thing about Dublin that you never see in a foreign airport - we don't scan the passports of those leaving the country. Why? Because we don't care who's leaving. We literally have no record of the state recording who is leaving the country. Quite frankly if you don't care who is leaving the country then the converse is also true ….. you don't care who is entering it either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    A common "on line "attitude though is that Dublin accent and Irish flag =scumbag , maybe SF did their part back in the day

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 152 ✭✭Covid19


    You're completely missing my point. No offence, but did you actually read my post, or did you stop at the word "accent".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 152 ✭✭Covid19


    Exactly. Which is precisely the point of my post.

    Optics.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    optics but with the bias of built in snobbery of "im better than you" , its a difficult one, West/North Dublin cant get politicians to represent them , SF or PBP just want to lecture them or simply not enough people care? maybe elections in 25 will change the map a bit or by default these communities are voting for these centres.

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,702 ✭✭✭downthemiddle


    This is the type of misinformation that becomes FACT. You cannot board a plane in Ireland without having your passport scanned at the boarding gate. Glad we clarified that for you and your ilk.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,135 ✭✭✭Peter Flynt


    That scannning is for safety reasons so as to ensure that the persons who went through security have got on the plane because their baggage has to be removed from the plane if they're not on it. It is carried out by the airlines, not the state. That this needs explaining to you says it all.

    I'm referring to police examining and scanning passports leaving the country, as happens everywhere else.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 890 ✭✭✭creeper1


    I happen to think the optics look bad on the governments part.

    Pepper spraying protesters, charging at them etc

    It's not a one off either obviously.

    Before coolock there was Newtown mount Kennedy, Santry, Roscrae and East wall.

    Ok the reaction might not have been to the same extent but all these disparate locations can not all be far right.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,333 ✭✭✭bloopy


    From thenposter, it looks like it was organised by a group called "Coolock Rising". Does.nobody know who this is?

    Do the Gardai know who this group are?

    After all, I'd imagine bringing two water cannon down from the north is not a cheap operation. Surely they would have to have some infothat something was going to kick off to warrant this.

    VVery odd.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55 ✭✭SonicSuper


    As we have seen money is no object at the alter of mass immigration, the price of a few water cannons isn't going to worry them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,263 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    This is why FG are winning with the voters compared to SF. They are actually doing something.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,518 ✭✭✭sonofenoch


    Note the analogy of the the school girl being followed home by a bunch of 'bored Middle-Eastern young adults' 😂 …not like those Dublin scumbags with their 'How-yis'



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,189 ✭✭✭prunudo


    ….

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 152 ✭✭Covid19


    Not an analogy at all. It actually happened 6 months ago over a period of six weeks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,903 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    thought anecdotes were not allowed?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,266 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    Bad enough living in a tent without some lowlife 'citizen journalist' inviting himself in to film and interrogate you on your misfortune, before sharing it with the world.

    One of the most disgusting things I've seen in a while.

    What a horrible person.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,635 ✭✭✭maninasia


    Bertie Aherne has a fairly strong Dublin accent and was very popular countrywide in his time before his lack of bank accounts became apparent and the wheels came off.



  • Posts: 3,330 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You scan your passport yourself to get into the queue for security check. Some people really are stupid!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,135 ✭✭✭Peter Flynt


    That's your boarding pass. . . . You're taking the piss aren't you?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,310 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    Politicans with the most clout dont live in, or near, to Dublin? I am not sure what planet you are on there my friend.

    I think i understand your point about the optics, but at the end of the day, people can only vote for a party that runs for election. No major party is advocating aslyum policy change, so there really is no change coming for the forseeable; peaceful protest or otherwise. They make very little difference when all is said and done.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,310 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    Indeed. Whether you agree with the policy or not, it is a vote winner.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,362 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    Yes, when I enter BE or DE or FR, they scan my passport into a computer, I presume to record my entry.

    I arrived into Knock last week, they looked at passport, and waved me on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    people living in tents in a city dont have any privacy rights , if they were near me Ive no problem finding out what is going on , know your neighbour and all that

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,487 ✭✭✭Vote4Squirrels


    Yes they are - that's your boarding card you're thinking of.



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