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The 2024 All Ireland Senior Football Championship (Sam Maguire Cup)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,203 ✭✭✭drury..


    Agree and its simple rule changes that can make a difference

    Talk about fickle fans or what mcgeeney said isn't the point

    It's about improving the game as a "show"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,562 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    I have no doubt Galway did something similar when not in possession. Galway had 60% possession in the first half and could muster only 6 points. Armagh would see that as a successful result.

    Both sides took the Donegal 2011 attitude - keep opposing scores to a minimum, and hope to nick a point here or there. The plan of both teams was keep the score down and hope to win by a point at the end after using up the clock before taking the final shot. Low risk strategy. And I'd have said the same if Galway won. Games between these two teams have been mostly tight in recent years.

    Yesterday I thought Galway should go back to their traditional football, but Joyce would argue they got nowhere with that, and would lose even more, although I disagree. The high ball into the forwards is still a worthwhile tactic and can cause mayhem. Sometimes you just have to mix it up and have a plan a, b and c.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,944 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    So please put forward your suggestions for improving the game.

    And please don't try and pretend it doesn't need to be improved because it does.

    One of the noticeable things that has grown over the past decade at matches has been the audible hum of people chatting or even near silence during matches (like you get at baseball and cricket) as opposed to people being fully invested in the game.

    Do you think teams endlessly hand passing the ball around in a circle is what fans want from the game (because it's a major feature of the game in the last few years)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,519 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    I was in the Upper Cussack. Anytime Armagh lost the ball the 15 Armagh players retreated and were all behind there own 45.

    Galway always tried to keep 2 player inside the opposition 45 and a third between the 45 and 65 for 90% of the game. When they had the ball they had nearly every player inside the Armagh half of the pitch.

    This Is where the myth that Armagh counter attacked faster. They could because the Galway defence had to scramble back to defend and Armagh got scores easier.

    If Galway had adopted the same tactics the game would have been similar to the Kerry Derry game. Galway could just not get 4 points ahead to force Armagh out of the defensive shell.

    However Galway had there chances and should have taken them. But the lesson that teams will take from this is put every player behind the ball and try to score on the counterattack

    Post edited by Bass Reeves on

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,519 ✭✭✭✭km79


    Thinking back on yesterdays game
    It was very clean. Both teams very disciplined.
    I think there may have been one yellow late on and that was it ?
    No blacks. No cynical fouls (even from Armagh at the end when they should have 🫣)


    That is a credit to both sets of players



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 963 ✭✭✭ledwithhedwith


    it doesn’t need to be improved. Go watch hurling where they score all the time from inside their own half.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,562 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    The forward mark was meant to encourage a bit of traditional catch and kick. Whilst its done the first part, it doesn't help that the average modern footballer is very mediocre at kicking points. And taking marks 40 yards out is utterly pointless.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,944 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    But if it's basically impossible to clean catch the ball because of blanket defence because their is no space to run into to catch the ball then it's difficult for the forward mark to have much impact.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,694 ✭✭✭elefant


    100% accurate. Galway did try and leave multiple players forward to be more attacking, but there were so few turnovers in the game that all attacks came off dead balls, and Armagh funnelled everyone back at each break in play. The strategy worked to a tee.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,562 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    They are different games. Scoring with a sliotar is immeasurably easier than scoring with a football from far out.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 963 ✭✭✭ledwithhedwith


    yeah it’s getting ridiculous, is it the fact they are all so beefed up?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,453 ✭✭✭Straight Talker


    @BonnieSituation Seeing that you've brought up puke football i don't mean to sound like Pat Spillane here, but it was Tyrone in the 00's that brought negative and defensive play into Gaelic football.

    Donegal in 2012 took negative and defensive play to whole new extremes though. It cost them in 2014 though. With a more positive approach they would have beaten Kerry in that final.

    What i decide to watch is none of your business to be quite frank about it. I'm entitled to my opinion that gaelic football has gone downhill as a spectacle over the past decade and a bit.

    Cork 1990 All Ireland Senior Hurling and Football Champions



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,296 ✭✭✭theoneeyedman


    Either lads here are too young to remember, or are wilfully ignoring it, but defensive, negative football wasn't invented in 2003.

    I grew up through the 1980s, and believe me there were some shocking games and tactics. Pulling and dragging, and even wilful violence used as a way to control skillful players - big lumps of lads they whose main skill was boxing a lad on the back of the head, and lumping a punt kick up into the air as far as they could. You could only imagine a player scoring a point like O'Neill scored yesterday,full pace going into the corner, and it's quite commonplace now,I think it was D'Arcy did something similar for Galway too, and don't mention Conroy and his shooting from range. The fact that corner backs and even goalies are better ball players then most half forwards in the 1980s means you can't kick the ball to them willingly, and it impacts on how teams play with the ball in hand.

    "The thing about the old days, they the old days'!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,612 ✭✭✭shockframe


    Armagh wouldn't be anyone's tip for an All Ireland Title earlier in the year but I don't believe the final was any worse than what teams did in 2012-2015.

    They are held up as being very dour and defensive but over the last 4-5 years they've been involved in a lot of exciting games

    2021 - Extra time v Monaghan

    2022 - Extra Time v Galway

    2023 - Extra time v Derry and then Monaghan

    2024 - Edged out by Donegal. Extra time v Donegal, the counter attack brilliance v Derry/comeback v Galway and then the epic v Kerry.

    Its inevitable they will be judged on the less glamorous elements of yesterday but would not be a fair reflection of them since Covid.

    They don't have many superstars but they extracted every last ounce of their talents, have been involved in some incredible battles and got a slice of luck yesterday.

    Hats off to them



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,519 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    You do not get the room to kick from that far out. To kick a point from thatt distance you need about 5 meters of a run up and you will ve closed down by the time you reach your kicking point so you have to check your run so as not to get turned over.

    It was actually a problem with the game no player was risking carrying the ball into contact incase of getting dispossessed and turned over. Excluding the goal there was no other goal chance created by either team.If a player got within a meter of you you generally offloaded. Neither team tried too many runs along the end line to create scoring chances. When faced with a potential turn over players tried to work the ball immediately out of this zone rather than risking continuing on to create a score

    I do not think that the limited amount of free was necessarily a plus. As well Armagh did hold up players a number if time late in the game as Galway tried to counter attack so they could get there defence set. None were pull downs but they are fouls to slow the game down.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,203 ✭✭✭drury..


    That's a slightly different point about rough play



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,351 ✭✭✭gaffer91


    I don't dispute that Armagh were very defensive also. I watched the match on tv but I'll take your word on it that Galway left lads up more often. But none of what you've said contradicts the point that Armagh attacked with more pace. You describe it as a "myth" but then also explain how they could do this. At least Armagh move the ball down the field at pace, unlike Galway. Granted it was mostly a running game rather than a kicking one, but it was still better to watch. Galway in the last few minutes in particular beggared belief with their slow, lateral handpassing. Not to mind when Galway did turn the ball over in open play generally they would also slowly move it up rather than try to capitalise on Armagh's unset defence.

    I don't think if Galway set up more defensively it would have been better for them- probably they'd just have scored even less- Kerry set up very defensively vs Armagh and it got them nowhere. If Galway were able to kick easily scoreable frees yesterday they'd probably have won the game, despite everything, so inefficiency/poor finishing (as well as good efficiency by Armagh) as well as the slow buildups were the main things that cost them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,659 ✭✭✭mikeybhoy


    Why did Galway have a homecoming when they lost. Those players should be ashamed of themselves for bottling it they may not get another chance at winning an All Ireland in their careers they definitely should not be having a homecoming and patting themselves on the back. At the end of the day second is the first place loser.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 963 ✭✭✭ledwithhedwith




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,978 ✭✭✭ShamNNspace


    Sure every losing finalists always have a small homecoming, what are you on about? Mark my words the players didn't want to be there, they know the task is unfinished



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,659 ✭✭✭mikeybhoy




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,522 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    Stupid fuckin take,vso fuckin edgy.

    Have you any idea what the GAA is about ?

    Probably not given a post like that.

    The players might be disappointed but they are still appreciated by the local fans.

    Especially the kids, these guys are their heroes.

    These events are for the kids, for fans.

    They are not for edgelords like you behind your keyboard.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,603 ✭✭✭dobman88


    Standard stuff. Let's people go and show their appreciation for their efforts. Kids get photos and jerseys signed and a chance to meet the players. Would have all been planned well in advance, win or lose. Nothing wrong with it imo.

    At least they didn't charge €4 per person for a ticket that had to be bought in advance online like the Cork hurlers did after losing!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,659 ✭✭✭mikeybhoy


    Would you see Real Madrid having a homecoming if they lost a Champions League final at the Bernabeu? I guarantee you they wouldn't they're fans would probably be on the presidents back and the demanding the manager is sacked. It's called having standards. The fans should demand only the very best from the players and manager.

    This the problem with sport in this country we need to demand the very best of our athletes. Winning is what sport is all about. Look at the RWC embarrassment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 176 ✭✭King Power Fox




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,553 ✭✭✭dunnerc


    What about the dour defensive tactics that Kerry deployed v Donegal in 2014 ?

    2013 - Dublin 3-18 - Kerry 3- 11

    2016 - Dublin 0-22 - Kerry 2-14

    2019 - Dublin 1-16 - Kerry 1-16

    2019- Dublin 1-18 - Kerry 0-15

    Dour defensive tactics my a—e ,

    As usual this bitter little Kerry man has a whinge about Dublin🙄



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,203 ✭✭✭drury..


    Have you ever not won a sporting event or competition you entered ?

    Were you ashamed of yourself ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,553 ✭✭✭dunnerc


    Dublin Dublin Dublin , bitter little Kerryman is back !



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,664 ✭✭✭Westernview


    Are you trolling or have you just no clue about what the GAA represents? Real Madrid comprise multi millionaire players playing a professional sport for clubs run as profit making businesses. The GAA is a voluntary community based organisation. Homecomings are a county's way of acknowledging it's volunteers and giving a chance to kids and their parents, elderly people and others who are unable to attend the game to meet their hero's. Dublin and Kerry have had homecomings following defeats and gone on to win all Ireland the following year so what you said is nonsense.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,659 ✭✭✭mikeybhoy


    Yes and I didn't have a homecoming to celebrate losing. This is something that's crept into elite level sport over the last couple of years teams celebrating losing as if it's an achievement look at Arsenal for example in the Premiership the last two seasons celebrating coming 2nd it's pathetic with slogans like its not about the winning it's about the journey. No sport is about winning especially at the elite level.



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