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The 2024 All Ireland Senior Football Championship (Sam Maguire Cup)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 97 ✭✭Thorny Queen


    To me, I would have subbed Comer and Walsh in the last 10 mins. 100% a poor coaching and tactical decision. Those wasteful frees, short kicking into goalie's hands and shooting into no man's land was a point lost. When you think that Galway only needed one point for extra time. They must be kicking themselves.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,355 ✭✭✭C__MC


    I'm sorry but Walsh kicking that first free with his left roughly in front of the goals was inexcusable. He also took another on his left from play which was never on. He had enough room to drive on and swing it on his right. Yes you are correct about the marks. It was a very diasapointing day for him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,088 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    What a load of absolute horseplop.

    Imagine blaming Jim McGuinness for anything, when:

    1. Some of the football that Donegal team played was absolutely absorbing and gave us some cracking games. That team felt destined to win that All-Ireland from the second the ball was thrown up in Ulster that year.
    2. It was followed up by the most exciting and entertaining team to ever play the game and indeed, probably going up against another exciting watch, in that Mayo team.

    This constant negativity is absolutely exhausting. No one's forcing you to watch the game, but you add nothing by throwing out ill-informed crap like that.

    Pepper your posts with some "blanket", "defence", "typical Ulster" and "puke football" tropes to really get us going. 🙄



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,220 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    A good player doesn't need to look, all he needs to do is be aware from training. knowing his colleagues etc that there will be someone coming into that area. When he started his run he'd have been well able to see who was moving.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 584 ✭✭✭joe35


    Thought it very strange Walsh kicking that first free with his left. Was it his right hamstring giving him trouble???

    That would explain him taking frees with his left, and also dropping balls short. Maybe a slight fear of damaging it again.

    This would be on management. No player is going to say I'm not up to it. Manager should have taking the decision out of his hands.

    Or if I remember correctly, Diarmuid Connolly took a free in an All Ireland final. Cluxton was coming up to take it, and Connolly just waved to say , its OK, I've got this.

    Comer, or another team mate could have stepped in and said I'll take this. They would of known better than anyone that Walsh was struggling to kick through on the ball.

    Maybe galway just lacking leadership, on and off the field



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,784 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Well done Armagh

    Poor stuff overall though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,784 ✭✭✭✭lawred2




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,522 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    Ignore them

    People who blame Jimmy McGuiness and his first stint in Donegal don't know what they are talking about.

    If you want to find someone to blame, blame Jim Gavin and Dublin.

    They were the ones around 2016 that started looking at the numbers and only took on shots when they were "high percentage".

    They had the players to create those "high percentage" situations a lot and get big scores.

    But other teams without the quality of players now do the same thing, it's all about only taking that shot when it's "high percentage".

    It's a possession game, and you want to make your possession count.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,355 ✭✭✭C__MC


    Ah I don't know Walsh has a habit of doing crazy things in games. He can be very infuriating to watch. His last free, if his hamstring was tight you'd pull it at the stage for the sake of the game. Cannot be dropping balls short at that stage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,774 ✭✭✭cmac2009


    Seemed like his was desperate to make up for earlier mistakes as the game went on, leading him to lose his composure. Amazing what pressure can do to a person. They all work with psychologists now but once you're in the heat of the moment it can be difficult to put all that work into practice. Clifford was the exact same in last year's final, had some early misses and was just snatching at everything to make up for it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,944 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    Every single time they name the all star team on the Sunday game they see to only pick players from the semi finals onwards.Pretty sure there were only 3 or 4 teams represented on the hurling equivalent last week and there won;t be much more variety in the official all star awards named for each team either.

    The all star awards are pointless, better off to have a team of the week named every week in football and hurling from the start of the league onwards and the most cumulative points picked up by players named on the team of the week gets an all star award (they could have different points allocations for each stage of the year i.e slightly higher points for championship than league) at least something like this would reward players for playing well throughout the year and not just having a standout performance in a final or semi final.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,683 ✭✭✭MacDanger


    Only 4 points scored (all from play) by Armagh's starting forwards and the same from play from Galway's forwards (plus 2 frees); probably reflective of the type of game it was but that's a very low return



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 860 ✭✭✭French Toast


    Question for those more knowledgeable than I - when was the last time 1-11 was enough to win an AI final?

    Edit: quick Google suggests 2015 when Dublin beat Kerry with 0-12 to 0-09. Thought it would have been further back.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 963 ✭✭✭ledwithhedwith


    then 2003 with a few close ones in between, was fairly low scoring.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,683 ✭✭✭MacDanger


    2015, Dublin beat Kerry in a poor enough match by 12 to 9



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,520 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    It was in exceptionally wet conditions probably the wetest AI final in a 30-50 years period. Yesterday was ideal conditions for football

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,203 ✭✭✭drury..




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,522 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    But no one was expecting a shoot out yesterday, regardless of the conditions.

    They were two teams that were low scoring all year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,351 ✭✭✭gaffer91


    Fair play to Armagh, deserved champions this year. They took their chances in a way that other teams didn't, over and over. While somewhat defensive by historical standards, they at least try and go out and play football at times, kickpass, attack at pace etc, so probably better for the game as a whole that they won. Their win is also a welcome break from the dour, defensive tactics that Dublin have deployed over the last 8 or 9 years.

    But this wasn't a very good or memorable final by any stretch and it finishes off what was a fairly worrying season for Gaelic Football. We had the (predictable) complete collapse of interest in what is the shambles of the Leinster Championship, the worst of all the provincial Championships. Then there was poor attendances across the group stages. And I find there is just a general feeling that football is not penetrating the public imagination the way it once did, and definitely not compared to hurling nowadays. Rule changes can't come quickly enough.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,351 ✭✭✭gaffer91


    Exactly… That Donegal team from 2011-14 is overly and unfairly criticised. Yes, in 2011, it was awful to watch. But they didn't win that year and changed tactics after that. They remained fairly defensive but were much better to watch and also far less defensive than most teams nowadays. Dublin were the ones who really pushed the dour, negative play we are seeing as standard nowadays- endless handpassing and possession football, no long range point kicking, very little high-fielding either because of the short kickouts or handpassing around the centre of the pitch. Nothing illegal about this so it's not their fault for playing within the rules in a way that they felt would maximise their chances of success, it's up to the GAA to change the rules. But if we want to "blame" anyone for introducing this ugly style of football, we should blame Dublin, not Donegal.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 963 ✭✭✭ledwithhedwith


    hahaha Dublin dour defensive tactics , that team is the greatest of all time bar none and racked up some absolutely huge numbers. I’d have hate to seen them playing attacking football, maybe they’d have had to be split in 8.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,562 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    Based on yesterdays game there has to be serious changes made to football.

    I'm struggling to see the differences between what Donegal did against Dublin in 2011 and what Armagh did yesterday, which is put 15 men behind the ball for much of the game and invite Galway to break them down. Galway in turn recycled the ball endlessly. Armagh did open up late in the game, but most of the game was an awful boring spectacle.

    Fair play to Armagh, they exploited the rules allowing you put players anywhere on the field. However it just creates a precedent where everyone from underage upwards adopts a successful tactic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 963 ✭✭✭ledwithhedwith


    I don’t really agree to be honest, tactics in sports tend to change over time , I’m not sure if garrotting the rules is really the answer, it’s rarely seen as the answer in other sports. Bit off topic but with the introduction of all these gym bunny players they really need to change the sliothar, the ease of long range scores now is frankly ridiculous.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,351 ✭✭✭gaffer91


    I think both teams set up defensively but Armagh at least attacked with a bit of speed. Galway were happy to handpass laterally for minutes at a time. Even at the end, a point down in an All-Ireland final, Galway didn't seem to have any urgency to go up and get a score quickly. I agree rule changes are required though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 584 ✭✭✭joe35


    I think if you're looking at teams to blame due to the current style of football, you'd have to look back to the great kerry team. They were renowned for their fitness levels and hand passing game.

    Ironically, Pat Spillane was lauded as one of the fittest players in the country. Probably the first forward to consistently help out in defence. Other forwards now mimic what Spillane himself started.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,762 ✭✭✭✭Green&Red


    Gleeson was coming up to take the free that Walsh kicked sideways on the 45. He kicked pretty much the same free to beat us in the Connacht final. It's on Joyce for keeping Walsh on frees when it was obvious his head was gone



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 382 ✭✭Charlo30


    You just can't help yourself having a pop at Dublin at any opportunity



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,683 ✭✭✭MacDanger


    Don't agree with that at all - in recent years, Galway are renowned for playing defensive football (only 3 goals conceded in the last 2 championships apparently) as anyone who's been to a Galway game can attest to. Until the very end of the game, they barely pushed up on Armagh's kickouts at all and instead retreated into their defensive structure. Armagh pressed the kickout more often than Galway.

    The main difference in style yesterday was in the forwards rather than the backs in that Armagh attacked with more pace than Galway. I don't have any stats on it but I'd wager that the average time from winning possession to getting a score from a play was much higher for Galway than Armagh.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,069 ✭✭✭The Moist Buddha




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,754 ✭✭✭thesultan


    Tyrone have been brutal since 21,almost that talent but seems to wilt..



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