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Anyone living near an Anaerobic Digester?

  • 28-07-2024 01:00PM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,308 ✭✭✭


    I'm living near (<150m) from the proposed site of an Anaerobic Digester. I'm wondering if anyone here is nearby to one that is up and running?

    We have concerns primarily around the environmental impact if the plant goes ahead, primarily smell and any potential run off.

    For anyone living near to one, can you share a little of your experience through these lenses?

    Thanks!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 98 ✭✭Hyland17


    I Know a little about these. What are they going to feed the digester with? As for smells there is odour control units installed to limit the smells, any run off will be accounted for and returned for further treatment as per EPA licence. Traffic will be your biggest issue I'd say. If its fed from wwtp it will be alot busier during the summer months as sludge grows with the heat.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 792 ✭✭✭Silverdream


    Is the digester yours? If not then if it was me, I'd be pulling all the stops and objecting.



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    If it's off forage you'll only notice extra traffic if it's off sewage or house hold waste the smell can be vile.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,206 ✭✭✭✭Calahonda52


    “I can’t pay my staff or mortgage with instagram likes”.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,178 ✭✭✭coolbeans


    Knows nothing about it but advises objection. Fuckin' typical.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,636 ✭✭✭epfff


    Thinking it's a case of I'd prefer the neighbours cow dieing than I getting another cow myself.

    The country is full of negativity and anti progression.

    Engage with the developer and the council, go to see existing similar set ups incorporate it into your holidays if you need to travel. But believe nothing that's not in writing and on planning documents.

    150m seems to be very close to you.

    Traffic after the construction stage would be my concern. So entrance and exits would need to be carefully thought out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,037 ✭✭✭✭Base price


    Thanks @Rowley Birkin QC for opening this thread. With the push for building anaerobic digesters around Ireland and the potential negative/positive impact on families living near one it's important to have comment from those affected.

    I know little about them other than what @Waffletraktor posted - apparently household and sewage used a feedstock stinks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 819 ✭✭✭rustynutz


    I'm in a similar situation to the OP, a proposed site approx 300 meters from my house. In typical Irish fashion, the government is ploughing ahead with these digesters without first establishing guidelines as to where they should be located. Google what it's like to live near the plant in Ballybofey if you want to see how bad it can be. These plants should be far away from towns, and built up residential areas, and certainly not within 150m of a house. Also, they only make financial sense if they are fed with household waste or slurry/sewage, despite what the planning permission documents might say the source will be.



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  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I know one of the lads running a farm with 6Mw worth of plants in Se Kent in the Uk, a forage based system the only thing that'd be noticeable outsude the gate is the loading shovels buzzer loading 300 tons per day of maize and wholecrops. 95% of what goes in goes back to be land spread so needs to be well situated but no different to a busy factory.

    They make clamps beside farm tracks and haul in as needed with walking floor bulkers and have built slurry storage bags on blocks of land to haul liquid digestate to over winter and have on farms for spring/autumn.

    https://www.facebook.com/StNicholasCourtFarms/

    https://www.facebook.com/StNicholasCourtFarms/


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,710 ✭✭✭dmakc


    The government needs to start respecting the wishes of its citezens instead of ramming these plants (of all kinds) into established residential areas.

    Private developers lying to landowners (via "CPOs" & intentions) to grab their land and put in gas/AD plants, then refusing to communicate with the public before/after the application.

    All to keep the data centres fed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,916 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Could you explain how CPO's come into the matter?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,710 ✭✭✭dmakc


    Consider X as substantially larger than Y. If a cowboy developer offers landowner X/ac, is refused, then (falsely) threatens if they don't take it then they'll CPO it for Y/ac, and landowner gives in. Developer then throws in the application



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 794 ✭✭✭Slightly Kwackers


    The digester should be o/k. If you are concerned find out who is doing the install and commissioning work and try to visit sites they have put similar installs in.

    One of the delightful things about anerobic digestion is that you soon get used to the H2S anyway. Just don't go into the cellar without a canary :-)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,201 ✭✭✭screamer


    can't be any worse than the foul stench of slurry being agitated, can it???? 150m away not a hope, if it's stink it will devalue your house too……



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,916 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    The only body that can CPO land is the state, no private entity can CPO.

    Yes, I would look for a significant distance. Think, pig, poultry farm or sewage treatment plant, as in smell. 200m would be near IWT, 3/400m preferred. Now I wouldn't be a nimby on such matters, just what I'd think would be reasonable. An AD plant reduces the smell of slurry, so locating such a plant in a farmyard should be desirable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,379 ✭✭✭alps


    These digestors will not produce electricity. The plan for Ireland is to feed biogas into the gas grid.

    Only the state can CPO land.

    150m sounds incredibly close to a neighbouring house and unless a complete fodder feedstock, would be genuine grounds for objection.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,710 ✭✭✭dmakc


    "Only the state can CPO land"

    I know, and this is the point. A private developer threatened the farmer (who wasn't aware of this) with a CPO to get this deal over the line. Now FWIW, €X was substantial, but it was still a no until the CPO threat for €Y came.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,044 ✭✭✭older by the day


    How now brown cow. The man's property is less than 150m from the proposed site. It will increase traffic on the road, may cause smell, so it will devalue his property, so he should get something out of it.

    It reminds me of the windfarm a few miles away. They came around telling us about all the cheap electricity it would create and the good it would do, they built the windfarmand sold it on afterwards. One neighbour objected to the planning and got money to withdraw. He was dead right, all these things are about money making.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 386 ✭✭manjou


    What would happen if the gas was to explode being 150 metres away would not be much protection. Traffic big problem as they need large volumes of product which has to be hauled in and out. Think the government haven't thought this out and just throwing it out there in every interview as answer to to pollution and derogation .



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,696 ✭✭✭cjpm


    The Irish Government to do something bull headed without thinking of the consequences….. wouldn’t exactly be the first time!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 98 ✭✭Hyland17


    There is a flare stack installed to burn off any over load so very unlikely to explode. Personally i wouldn't like to have one that close to the house unless it was my own. They take a lot of feed to maintain the maximum output



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,650 ✭✭✭J.O. Farmer


    What's the minimum distance to one of these legally. There's a 60m limit for forestry or 30m with owner consent.

    An AD plant seems like it should be a lot further away than forestry.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,379 ✭✭✭alps


    The government have thought this out. AD plants are a very common feature in all other European and developed countries. Going down the anger route based on "government haven't thought this out" is futile.

    Disturbance, noise, smell, traffic are all genuine concerns and cause for objection.

    I would also be of the opinion that they will be a competitior to agriculture rather than a help and will move to increase agriculture's emissions while reducing it's output.

    Emissions savings will be attributed to the users of the biogas, while the production emissions from feedstock production will be attributed to agriculture.

    They probably fit in as a better combination with the tillage based livestock industry across mainland Europe.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,308 ✭✭✭Rowley Birkin QC


    Thanks.

    The digester is proposed to be fed with (as far as I know) forrage. The developer is already sounding out locals about buying or leasing land for crop to be grown specifically for the digester. There's also a large creamery nearby but I'm not sure if they are partnering with them. I hadn't even considered they might be using human waste.

    Thanks for the input so far.



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Getting use out of the heat generated is also useful for community district heating or green houses etc on the continent.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,308 ✭✭✭Rowley Birkin QC


    Thanks for the input.

    You've touched on something that I have concerns about. I read the planning application files for a similiar plant in Kildare yesterday evening (File No:221035 here: https://webgeo.kildarecoco.ie/planningenquiry# ) and while it talks about all of the odor elimination and mitigation measures the plant has to take (Slovakian study on these here: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/304268149_ODOR_CONTROL_IN_BIOGAS_PLANT_-_CASE_STUDY) I have doubts about the enforcement of these measures.

    Is there anything available online about Ballybofey?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,308 ✭✭✭Rowley Birkin QC


    Also for clarity on the distance, there is a national road between me and the proposed site but still the distance between the two properties is 186m. I was slightly out but it's still very close by. Traffic is less of a concern as it's always been a busy road.

    Thanks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,916 ✭✭✭✭Water John




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 590 ✭✭✭Grassy Knoll


    I understand them to be well established in other EU member states where they are well run and safe, we are late adopters - as is usual in a lot of developments. It is understandable there may be misapprehensions, if sited sensibly they should be green lighted - we are planning 130 across the State. Proximity to a gas grid connection and supply of inputs (slurry, organic matter etc) will be key. There will always be people who feel discommoded, good planning should seek to minimise this. However, the reality is unfortunately not everyone can be facilitated, the bigger picture needs to win out.



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