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Vice President Kamala Harris vs Donald Trump 2024

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,719 ✭✭✭Field east


    I cannot understand why the democratic side did not let JD V dig a bigger hole for himself with his unbelievable comments and when it’s TOOOOO late for Trump to change his VP pick to then LAMBLAST Vance on his away out positions



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,719 ✭✭✭Field east


    I am not too sure re KH attending a lot of rallies , etc. I remember at the last election DT was away ahead of Biden re rallies, publicity in general, Fox, etc were very pro trump. Biden , relatively speaking ran a ‘very downbeat ‘ campaign



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,111 ✭✭✭Christy42


    That doesn't make sense. Won't the Dems still be trying to destroy the country with wokeness? Surely they will still have to vote for the Republican candidate in 2028 to keep the country great?

    The words make no sense for the meaning you are ascribing to them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,501 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    The only thing that Vance has shown since he's come to the limelight is that he's a duplicitous rat who'll say and do anything for purely his own gain.

    So, in that respect, he's the perfect VP for Trump.

    And neither of them shouldn't even be let on the Whitehouse lawn, never mind anywhere else in the building.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,511 ✭✭✭rolling boh


    Is it ever too late to change VP pick I don't know how it would work out but Trump could proberly do it with no resistance from his base .Trump will keep his vote it looks pretty solid so it's up to KH to appeal to the casual voters and get them on board .



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,708 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Firstly, of course it's an uphill battle. Secondly though, what she's clearly pushing for is maximizing turnout. That's what will defeat Trump. Trump is losing voters to Harris atm. That's the reality which you seem to be ignoring.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,580 ✭✭✭✭briany


    There was a massive pandemic raging around the world during the last US presidential election. With respect to large gatherings, Biden ran a campaign paying heed to medical advice, whereas Trump ran with a policy of IDGAF.

    As I recall, one of Trump's many errant reasonings as to why he had actually won the 2020 election was that his rally attendances were larger than Biden's.



  • Posts: 548 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    No, it did inspire someone to shoot him in the head though. Something that many dem leaning people on here laughed and joked about.

    Did many rep leaning people laugh and joke about Jan 6th?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,708 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Did it? To date there is no evidence that the shooter was inspired by the left to commit the shooting. It's a pretty dishonest line to be pushing. There's a pretty strong possibility that he was considering multiple targets including Biden, a member of the Royal family and Trump. So what manifesto of his have you discovered that indicates he was inspired by the left? You claim to be moderate and want honest discussion but happily just pushed a claim that currently has no factual basis. Why?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,781 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    Did it? First time I've seen that to be the reason Trump was shot by a registered Republican supporter.

    And to your second part, yes (well they tried, but humour is not the rights forte.)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 36,480 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Where's your evidence that comparisons of Trump to Hitler inspired the guy to try assassinate Trump?

    Also, Rep leaning people here have constantly laughed and joked about Jan 6th, including completely downplaying it, claiming it was just people walking round the building, and misrepresenting it as a bunch of people dressed as shamans trying to get their hands on the nuclear football (in order to deflect about the reasons they were actually there).

    It's a lot easier to laugh and joke about something that nearly happened but caused no permanent injury or effect (except of course to the unintended victims who were killed or badly injured). Considering Trump went golfing the next day, yeah, no qualms about making jokes about it.

    So again I'll ask; Where's your evidence that comparisons of Trump to Hitler inspired the guy to try assassinate Trump?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,580 ✭✭✭✭briany


    No, it did inspire someone to shoot him in the head though

    From the Thomas Crooks Wikipedia,

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Matthew_Crooks?wprov=sfla1

    Authorities have stated that his political views are unknown, and they have not determined whether his assassination attempt was politically motivated. Public records do not indicate his views. No posts by Crooks on social media or writings indicating his ideology have been found.

    I presume from your line, you must have good evidence to contradict this paragraph that you could furnish us all with?



  • Posts: 548 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    But I thought that words matter? Surely if we can assume what Trump motivated with his words, we can do likewise for the dems and mum?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,708 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    You're sidestepping this. You explicitly said that the Republican Crooks was inspired by the left. Law enforcement agencies currently do not agree with that assessment. What evidence do you have for this claim? You can't claim to care about facts and make up ones that suit you.



  • Posts: 548 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Motivation because of a comment can not be proven.

    We will never know if Tommy heard Trump wss the next hitler and decided that it was his time to shine.

    We will never know if every person that took part in Jan 6th, heard Trump say "let's march" and thought "he means let's kill".

    But what we can assume is that, if you say something inflammatory in the public domain it can reach a wide audience. That wide audience is not limited to rational people. Some people literally think they are the messiah. Some people say things like "if such and such looks at my wife or kid I wouod chop them up into pieces". Whipe i getbthe protection element, some people are a bit too far off the curtain rails.

    So if you give these people ideas, it will only go one way.

    Trying to deny correlation is naive or just plain lying.

    But yea "we are not the same"🤣



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,781 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    We will never know if Tommy heard Trump wss the next hitler and decided that it was his time to shine.

    So why perpetuate it then?

    No, it did inspire someone to shoot him in the head though



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,580 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Yes, maybe people were chanting 'hang Mike Pence' outside the US Capitol on January 6th, 2021, not because of a baseless conspiracy the sitting president (!!!) Donald Trump had been front and centre for promoting for two months, at least, including that day itself, but just because they felt like it?

    I mean, you never really know, do you? /s



  • Posts: 548 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Did the democrat supporter shoot Trump in the head? Yes

    Was the commentary widespread? It was almost the biden campaign tagine!!!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,781 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    The (registered republican) "Democrat supporter"? That guy?



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  • Posts: 548 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Yea the guy who literally supported the democrats by donating to them. That guy



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 30,867 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Just for the record, which well known politician outside of his own VP candidate compared Trump to Hitler?



  • Posts: 548 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Glad you asked

    Thomas Crooks was influenced by the democrats and the media's portrayal of Donald Trump as the next Hitler.

    Such extreme comparisons can create a sense of urgency and fear, leading some individuals to believe that drastic actions, like shooting Trump, are necessary to prevent a perceived catastrophic threat to democracy and human rights.

    The false narrative radicalized Crooks by making him see Trump as an imminent danger requiring immediate intervention.

    Could you imagine Trump's campaign did this and Biden got shot? I mean some here would be calling for Trump to be locked up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,708 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    You have no evidence of what his motivation is. That's the reality. So you're lying when you claim to know it.



  • Posts: 548 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I have never defended Trump's involvement in Jan 6th. I said many times in fact, that while I don't think he sought an insurrection, he certainly did nothing to stop it once it started. For that he does bare responsibility.

    But you bring up a valid point. Trump never said "hang Mike Pence"

    Biden campaign DID say Trump was the next hitler



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,111 ✭✭✭Christy42


    That comparison is take by Trump standards.

    You are fully convinced of your world view with 0 evidence. Maybe he just wanted a high ranking politician and Trump showed up next. Maybe he was influenced by the Epstein files. Right now the most likely is that he wanted his name in the papers, that is what many of them want, for their suicide to make headlines.

    The only evidence you have is your need o be able to paint the Dems as bad as the Republicans.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,781 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    That's all conjecture. All of it.

    A picture diagram:

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    There is nothing in your post that is considered fact, but mere opinion. It's a bit depressing to see you reach such lows. Not even a mention that his friends described him as conservative, or that he was a gun nut?

    One day we'll find a trump supporter that can argue with facts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,580 ✭✭✭✭briany


    I don't believe I said Trump said 'hang Mike Pence' either, so I'm not sure what your point is, there. There were people outside the Capitol chanting that phrase, as I've said, and the question is what led them to that point.

    Now, if we were to go through the testimony and evidence presented against all of those who participated in the Jan 6th Capitol attack, do you think we wouldn't find plentiful reference to the same conspiracy theory promoted by one Donald J Trump?

    Regarding Crooks, he made a single donation of 15 dollars to a Democrat aligned cause nearly four years prior, but was registered as a Republican at the time of the shooting, so at best this puts us back to the original footing of we don't know what his politics were at the time of the shooting, and there is no evidence of any kind which has yet emerged that any words about Trump were a motivator.



  • Posts: 548 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Nope none have said the actual words. The words that were used by them were "threat to democracy" Biden and Harris both said it. It was used as much as border czar was tbf.

    Pelossi has even said that he is a clear and present danger and we must take action...... of course she denies it is meant as violence.

    Maria Chappelle-Nadal when she was senator for missouri, posted on facebook and said "I hope Trump is assassinated!"

    Katy griffin held up Trump's severed head in a sketch.

    Johnny Depp joked at Glastonbury in 2017/18(around that time. I'm sure googoe knows if you are interested) but he said "when is the last time an actor assassinated a president?" Referring to Trump.

    Madonna, Ricky Rourke, Griffin Dunne, Joss Whedon all said similar things.

    Kamala Harris herself joked about it when on the Ellen show.

    Cynthia Nixon wss running for gov of New York when she said she wanted "take Trump out"

    Even Biden said over and over how much he wanted to take Trump behind the gym hall

    You don't think that there had been a little bit of a rethoric building here that makes people want to hurt Trump?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,781 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    Do we have enough room to point out the "other side" of this argument?



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