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Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 376 ✭✭giseva


    I can. They need asylum and protection. From absolutely everything, all the time. The need for asylum doesn't stop once they've fled "immediate danger", because then they need protection from discrimination for having been an asylum seeker in the first place. And how do we go about that to ensure we're not a discriminatory country full of bigotry and all the other terms, that's right, we forsake our own in favour of these asylum seekers.

    I wonder if there'll be a decline in the citizenship and passport applications once people catch on to the fact that you're nearly better off being a perpetual asylum seeker.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,301 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    The point is that while it used to be 2000 a year now it become 20,000 a year. If you do not see the point then I dont know.

    (numbers used are for illustration purpposes only)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 872 ✭✭✭creeper1


    People are arriving all the time and the authorities want to make space by moving those with successful applications out of direct provision or IPAS centres.

    Trouble is they, like a lot of us, don’t have the means to rent in the private market.


    So should they be thrown on the street? That would be deemed inhumane.

    I suspect that because a lot of Irish homeless are living with parents in uncomfortable conditions but technically still have a roof over their head they simply aren’t a priority.

    It’s just a hunch but I suspect that’s what is going on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 376 ✭✭giseva


    And the burden falls to the Irish taxpayer, already paying for the spongers born here and still paying for the sins of the past.

    I'd love to know what the objective of government is, forgetting about the filth that line their pockets from it and the corrupt politicians eyeing up their next gig.

    What is the long-term view of any decent elected politician in this country about the number of people claiming asylum, and the numbers that will continue to do so?

    What is the governments solution to making it all work? To provide affordable housing to all (apparently 400k+ is affordable if DCC is to be believed), to reduce the number of Irish homeless, to improve our HSE which is at breaking point, and to protect our national identity and culture.

    Pretty basic questions I feel.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,050 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    Numbers are a different point.

    The point the poster made was about refugees suddenly qualifying for social housing, like it was a new thing. It isnt.

    20k asylum seekers is an underestimate for 2024.

    I think its more like 30k this year. I do agree with you that we need some mechanism to manage the demand vs supply, of course.

    My concern there is that the govt do not have a plan to do so.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 376 ✭✭giseva


    Our government could do with ringing up Monaco with their zero refugee intake, and asking for a bit of assistance in sharing this load that they've so admirably taken on, on our behalf. Any penthouse apartments or yachts going begging over there?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,140 ✭✭✭hamburgham


    I can’t believe it’s not much higher than that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 376 ✭✭giseva


    Irreversibly damaging to our country too. If Ireland were to completely stop AS entering right now, in a bid to get a handle on things, which of course won't happen, the damage is done.

    Feet are firmly under the table, whether they're in a tent, a prefab or house and whether they've been told they can stay or not.

    Ireland is gone. The priorities of those in power is to save face by beating protesters and ignoring citizens for long enough for this to be some other governments' problem. And when that happens, the new power will say "we didn't create this, that was x and y" and the stone throwing in the Dail will continue.

    This country is fucked.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,949 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    What.

    They'd enter emergency accommodation like the 15k people . And join the housing list like 100k people .

    If this stays as the policy our yearly social housing allocation will only be for people granted asylum .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,050 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    Yes,they join the housing list.

    Thats what I am saying.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,949 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    They aren't joining any list . They are being housed asap to make room for more asylum seekers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,050 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    What the criteria is for prioritising social housing, I dont know.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,135 ✭✭✭Peter Flynt


    I've a sneaking feeling that is already the case.Irish citizens paying their way (and paying for others also) are at a huge disadvantage when they've no guaranteed state income like HAP and/or ARP.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,475 ✭✭✭✭Blazer


    They don't have a plan. Its simply to keep taking taxpayers money and hope the corp tax and the high PAYE workers continue to live here.

    God forbid the wasters holding their hands out for free houses and doing absolutely nothing to progress in their life or actually contribute anything to society etc for the blatant racism shown by them. At long as they get their free council house and can pass it down to their children they don't give a toss about anyone.

    Yes we need social housing..let me be clear on that..but this whole family legacy of passing down houses needs to be gotten rid off.

    Of course they forget that if we did all of a sudden stop taking in Asylum seekers somehow that's going to magically fix all the issues we have here. Taxpayers will quickly find a new target ie welfare class who are been given all the houses by councils who are outbidding their children and thus are still in the exact same boat.

    The issue isn't that we are taking in too many but that our governments are absolutely squandering tax payers money in quangos, consultancy fees, developer contracts and lets not forget RTE who are being given €750,000,000 (750 million) over the next 3 years. But **** it..lets blame the asylum seekers for all our woes and let the politicians and civil service completely off the hook. We are taking in 60 billion a year in taxes and what are we showing for it? We still don't have the new children's hospital, or the Limerick -Cork motorway..but hey here's a few greeenways we plan to build. And oh by the way we're charging you extra now for mineral bottles as ye're not recycling them properly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 376 ✭✭giseva


    The issue is absolutely that we are taking in too many as evident by the very existence of this thread. How could you hold such a view?

    We're taking in far too many and the words out worldwide. The amount is the issue because it further compounds the problems we already have in this country which you pointed out.

    It's simple, you cannot make things better, by making things worse.

    Yes, if we stopped taking in AS tomorrow, there'd still be issues to be addressed.....but see above sentence.

    Also, assuming all who sponge off the state are blatant racists isn't helpful.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 376 ✭✭giseva


    While we're on the subject of racism, telling someone struggling in this country that X from Nigeria, Somalia, Georgia etc that they're getting something over you, or something despite your circumstances in this country because they were born somewhere else, and you were born here, doesn't do a whole lot to combat it!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,449 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin


    That’s mental, could I get a link to the report?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,767 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    Nobody is blaming asylum seekers for all our woes , just pointing out we have limited housing, health ,education etc resources. We can’t magic up houses or do you think we should spend this 60 billion on housing the worlds poor at the expense of our own poor or elderly?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,496 ✭✭✭sonofenoch


    Maybe not anarchy, life will go on but never as before ….Ireland will basically be like an extended statelet of the US and all the crap that goes with it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 376 ✭✭giseva


    Best throw in access to private gyms to prevent discrimination cases being taken against the state by our new safety seeking residents!

    In such instances, which we'll see again in some form or another, where state funded NGOs engage with state funded legal representation on behalf of disgruntled/mistreated asylum seekers and with a view to essentially get something else from.....the state....I really wish there was an option that a judge could weigh up all the evidence and say...."by the power vested in me, and on behalf of the Irish people....the lot of you can Fu#k Off!!!"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 270 ✭✭Geert von Instetten


    Housing Agency reports have included a dissection of applications for years. 2023 was the highest increase in non-EEA nationals I was able to find.

    https://www.gov.ie/pdf/?file=https://assets.gov.ie/289056/3455b50b-1971-4f74-8cb9-ce88e3608529.pdf#page=null



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,050 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    The gym access would be for all social welfare recipients in an apartment complex, not just Refugees.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 376 ✭✭giseva


    Equally as mad!

    If you can't afford it, that's too bad. I'd like to fly first class anywhere, ever, but I can't, and that's life.

    If you're in receipt of social housing, in a building that has a gym, you're doing better than someone in social housing in a 'lively' housing estate. If that gym comes at a cost to every other inhabitant in the building then up your boll1x, deal with it. Has the world gone mad or what?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 347 ✭✭chooey


    I emailed my FG TD over this whole issue and basically got a reply to say that the asylum system was set up for a time when 3000 AS were arriving. The EU migration pact will help things. So in other words wait 2 years for that to happen and we’re not going to have any leadership or do anything.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,135 ✭✭✭Peter Flynt


    Well that's utter nonsense. If anything the EU migration pact which will make things worse.

    All of this is coming from the EU.

    We have political leaders who are glorified student union politicians. They stand up to the Irish people and put them in their place, not Brussels.

    Who was the TD who sent you that?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,050 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    Punished how?

    With current levels of support, no national govt can be formed without 2 of the 3 major parties.

    All 3 major parties are pro asylum immigration and the party that isnt in power is the most left leaning of all 3!

    How would a "punishing" vote in the locals change anything?

    You can say vote for independents, but thats just lip service because independents are not going to form, nor lead, a govt.

    I am not having a go or criticising your view by the way, just trying to point out that for those that seek a change to the asylum policy, there isnt a political choice in kind.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,328 ✭✭✭bloopy


    Out of interest, how did the protest go there today.

    Did the Guards get to use their borrowed toys after?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 872 ✭✭✭creeper1


    Well in such a situation you do indeed vote independent.

    What you should not do is blindly vote for incumbents or even worse SF, PBP etc

    You are not even giving them reason to pause.

    SF at least paused to have a think about what they are doing wrong.

    No need for the rest to do any such thing.



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