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Vice President Kamala Harris vs Donald Trump 2024

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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 30,806 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    And she was very successful in this and arrivals at the border from these countries all dropped.

    It still has nothing whatsoever to do with being in charge of the border.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,547 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    The Mexican federal police have more armour than the armies of most nations on Earth.

    It hasn't changed anything on the ground.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 9,493 CMod ✭✭✭✭Fathom


    This was not a simple problem for the largest state of the 50 with a population several times larger than Ireland, and the 5th largest economy in the world. It was complex, unlike the oversimplified interpretations implied by Vance.

    She doesn’t specifically say or advocate “defunding” the police as claimed by Vance and Republican talking points. She wanted a review that would suggest improvements to law enforcement. Such improvements may result in a reallocation of funding within law enforcement, but not a defunding of police.

    When Harris was California Attorney General in the Sacramento government, she was privy to the governor’s blue ribbon committee on criminal justice that investigated and reviewed such topics as improving law enforcement at the California city, county, and state levels.

    This research suggested that rather than simply increasing the number of police officers, additional professionals with qualifications that may vary from strict law enforcement protocols and practices may also be required to deal with the problems associated with domestic disputes (which many police officers would rather have handled by others), homelessness, post traumatic stress disorders of veterans, etc. Adding such professionals from the finite annual fiscal year budgets for city, county, and state law enforcement rather than only hiring police officers is not defunding police, per se, but rather adding a more diversely qualified balance to the law enforcement equation to help police.

    Ref: Dr Joan Petersillia of the University of California Irvine back then, now at Stanford law, was also on this blue ribbon committee, and has researched, taught, discussed, and published in this domain.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    the internet keeps delivering today

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 668 ✭✭✭highpitcheric


    Are you sure?

    How many shootings were prevented? Being that non-events dont get recorded you can never know.

    Bailey had a borderline personality" based on "narcissism, psycho-rigidity, violence, impulsiveness, egocentricity with an intolerance to frustration and a great need for recognition".

    • Psychiatrist Jean Michel Masson and psychologist Katy Lorenzo-Regreny


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    sorry but this is a bad argument.

    Tactics, Training, not special weapons, are the critical factor.

    Case:

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna161185

    …and point:



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 832 ✭✭✭reclose


    macho traits? You can’t be for real.
    I can only imagine what you are like if you think Trump is in anyway an alpha



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,547 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    There are 18,000 gun deaths in Mexico every year.

    I think trying to calculate those deaths that may have been avoided would be somewhat missing the point.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 668 ✭✭✭highpitcheric


    And why not both?

    How armored would you choose to be.

    Bailey had a borderline personality" based on "narcissism, psycho-rigidity, violence, impulsiveness, egocentricity with an intolerance to frustration and a great need for recognition".

    • Psychiatrist Jean Michel Masson and psychologist Katy Lorenzo-Regreny


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,781 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    In that case, they should join the army. The police should be guardians of the peace, not a militarized unit. I believe in focussing on reducing crime levels through education and social reform. Schools don't get anywhere near enough funding over there, arguably reflected with where we are and people's beliefs in conspiracy theories like faked moon landings, flat earths etc.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    when all you have are big hammers every small problem looks like a big nail.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 668 ✭✭✭highpitcheric


    being heavily armed may have saved many police lives in Mexico. You simply cant know, how many plans were cancelled, how many would be murderers had to think twice.

    Im sure it had some effect. But its unknowable exactly what.

    I would guess there are some people including police members, somewhere in Mexico, alive today because some cartel sized up the local patrol and said not worth it.

    Bailey had a borderline personality" based on "narcissism, psycho-rigidity, violence, impulsiveness, egocentricity with an intolerance to frustration and a great need for recognition".

    • Psychiatrist Jean Michel Masson and psychologist Katy Lorenzo-Regreny


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,874 ✭✭✭nachouser


    The border Czar thing is just such b*llshit. Anyone clinging onto it is denying reality.



  • Posts: 6,626 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Shoot and ask questions later ....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 668 ✭✭✭highpitcheric


    exactly.

    Thats what would have been the case for those teens. Eventually theyd have hammered a nail.

    Teens are particularly bad for that kind of situation, as 'a little knowledge is a dangerous thing'.

    Bailey had a borderline personality" based on "narcissism, psycho-rigidity, violence, impulsiveness, egocentricity with an intolerance to frustration and a great need for recognition".

    • Psychiatrist Jean Michel Masson and psychologist Katy Lorenzo-Regreny


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,781 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 668 ✭✭✭highpitcheric


    maybe your tune would change if you were in their shoes.

    Social reform is a great idea im sure, but it takes time. And there are kids carrying (what looks like) Mac 10s today.

    Bailey had a borderline personality" based on "narcissism, psycho-rigidity, violence, impulsiveness, egocentricity with an intolerance to frustration and a great need for recognition".

    • Psychiatrist Jean Michel Masson and psychologist Katy Lorenzo-Regreny


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,781 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    Probably not, tbh. I've witnessed first hand draconian police Vs social workers. Social workers decreased the crime rates over time more than the cops that gave ya a smack if you were acting the bollocks.



  • Posts: 6,626 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    That's what happens when you have a country awash with guns because they think there all in a militia.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    I have no idea what teens you are even talking about?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 668 ✭✭✭highpitcheric


    The kumbaya approach to policing the hood.

    Officer David Van Driessen. Maybe it could work.

    Bailey had a borderline personality" based on "narcissism, psycho-rigidity, violence, impulsiveness, egocentricity with an intolerance to frustration and a great need for recognition".

    • Psychiatrist Jean Michel Masson and psychologist Katy Lorenzo-Regreny


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 668 ✭✭✭highpitcheric


    It is what it is.

    I tried arguing with the gun nuts on here and other places. But its a multi-factoral thing, and in fairness some of their points are solid enough, convincing enough that youll never convince them otherwise.

    Basically its too late. US will be awash with guns for a long time. Least we get to learn from their mistakes.

    Bailey had a borderline personality" based on "narcissism, psycho-rigidity, violence, impulsiveness, egocentricity with an intolerance to frustration and a great need for recognition".

    • Psychiatrist Jean Michel Masson and psychologist Katy Lorenzo-Regreny


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 668 ✭✭✭highpitcheric


    ones from a previous post

    Bailey had a borderline personality" based on "narcissism, psycho-rigidity, violence, impulsiveness, egocentricity with an intolerance to frustration and a great need for recognition".

    • Psychiatrist Jean Michel Masson and psychologist Katy Lorenzo-Regreny


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 668 ✭✭✭highpitcheric


    Bailey had a borderline personality" based on "narcissism, psycho-rigidity, violence, impulsiveness, egocentricity with an intolerance to frustration and a great need for recognition".

    • Psychiatrist Jean Michel Masson and psychologist Katy Lorenzo-Regreny


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,774 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    What do you mean “revealed”? It’s common knowledge that she is married to someone who is Jewish.

    So far, the dirt slinging from Trump is pretty weak. Saying that a criminal will always be a criminal (despite not actually proving anything of the sort), and himself being a convicted criminal, throwing stones in a glass house.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 9,493 CMod ✭✭✭✭Fathom


    You claim that GovTrak labeled Harris as the “Most Liberal” in 2019. Further you claimed “That is not subjective.” Are you merely pointing to what was claimed by GovTrak, or did you go into depth and examine the methodology used by them and found that their research design was empirically objective and not subjective before stating “That is not subjective?”

    If you didn’t first examine GovTrak’s methodology, how would you know that they didn’t use in whole or part a qualitative, subjective research design, consequently making a “That is not subjective” claim problematic?

    The above may have implications for the merit of your conclusions: “That is certainly not a Donald Trump lie. It is factual.”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,774 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    America is basically founded on a revolution that revolved around racism.

    Trump himself, took an advert out in the paper calling for the execution of the Central Park five. And there are newspaper reports of how rotten he was to black tenants when he was a landlord in NY.

    Throwing any kind of race card during this will just backfire on the republicans, badly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


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    Uh huh… got a lot of questions about your algorithm. Twitter is rot. Anyway.

    Posts 38 second clip of a longer police interaction, lacking much context.

    Also the clip doesn't evidence the police requiring special weapons to subdue the suspects. The cops were not exactly 'militarized' as described in your post. Just handguns and the odd rifle.

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    This incident doesn't support the argument that police need to be militarized or have armored vehicles at all. These police have standard equipment and the minimum amount of competent training (unlike this guy) (or these guys). You also arguably don't need this many cops for these 3 kids. There are also many social initiatives we can take before kids are ever walking around with guns at a parade in the first place. I think this incident doesn't disprove Kamala's 2020 argument:

    “We need to have this conversation and critically examine and understand this is not working,” …“It’s not working. So, this is an important conversation and not just a conversation – cause to your earlier point, can’t just be about talk. It has to be about forcing change.”

    “Part of what we have to do here is also look at the militarization of police departments and, and the kind of money that is going to that. And we need to demilitarize police departments,” Harris said. “At its core, one of the issues that I think we should all agree on is that it is old thinking. It is outdated and is actually wrong and backward to think that more police officers will create more safety.”

    “In many cities in America, over one third of their city budget goes to police. So, we have to have this conversation. What are we doing? What about the money going to social services? What about the money going to helping people with job training? What about helping with the mental health issues that communities are being plagued with for which we’re putting no resources?”

    In the same interview, Harris added she didn’t support “getting rid” of police.

    “We have to be practical about this,” she said.

    “For too long, the status quo thinking has been, you get more safety by putting more cops on the street,” Harris added. “Well, that’s wrong, because by the way, if you wanna look at upper middle class suburban neighborhoods, they don’t have that patrol car.”

    Harris, citing suburban communities, said that true safety comes from well-funded schools, homeownership, thriving small businesses, and access to health services – not increased police presence.

    https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/26/politics/kfile-kamala-harris-praised-defund-the-police-movement-in-june-2020/index.html



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  • Posts: 548 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Yea its true. Dems and reps are just as guilty. Until recently the dems were know as the slave party but that's nothing to do with harris and Trump.

    Trump has a strong black vote. Harris had a pretty bad black following when she was prosecutor.

    I think that will shift in harris' favour of course.

    But I dont think anyone should be playing any race card. The race topic came up as the accusation was that police are inherently racist and that's why it is good that harris wants to cut their funding. Odd reasoning byt here we are.

    Anyway that's enough convo for me today. Take care peeps. I truly hope I haven't offended anyone. I know it can be intense at times but i actually enjoyed the in here debate today.



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