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Dee Forbes banging the RTE TV licence drum again 60m uncollected fee *poll not working - pl ignore*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,023 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Well said. Harris in full election mode now -i.e. do-nothing mode.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,889 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    The Brenner was sitting on a bar stool listening to Emma O'Kelly being interviewed by Rachel English on the News at One.

    Rachel asked her quite timidly, I thought ,a rhetorical question like 'Why should the Taxpayer put money into RTE given the profligacy and wastage just experienced'

    O'Kelly ignored the question almost totally and straight away I concluded that nothing is going to change out there.

    They haven't learned their lesson, the Govt bottled it, they will continue to corn hole John Q Taxpayer and laugh in his face.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 819 ✭✭✭kazamo


    RTE must be delighted with the declared third revenue stream established now.

    Licence, Advertising and now a backstop of state funding.

    People need to boycott the licence as they are on the hook to fund them through direct taxation anyway.

    Rip off Ireland is thriving



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,392 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    It also shows again how detached this government is from the public mood. They seem to live in a bubble of their own up there. It's well known and evidenced that there is simmering discontent with the licence fee, those who pay, those who don't and the abuse of this money in RTE. Combined with the useless collection system of An Post.

    They have an opportunity to grasp the nettle, to lance the boil, an open goal and … they fouk it up. Bottlers.

    Maybe RTE is useful to them as an arm of government publicity, a spin machine - if so, let it be funded by the Dept Taoiseach and we'll all be clear then. Did I hear Paschal reported as saying they wouldn't forego the licence as it was a ready means to get money in? For that alone, he or whoever said, should be booted into the Irish Sea. And there should be a mass boycott to tell him to shove his patronising up his whole.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,404 ✭✭✭jj880


    Anyone got a good link that sums up Tubsgate and what followed?

    After this sweetheart deal for RTE I wouldn't mind a refresher just to depress myself with the state of regulation / accountability in this country.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,843 ✭✭✭Beta Ray Bill


    The whole thing has gone so far beyond a joke now

    €750,000,000…. Like that is an incredible sum on money for a company that runs a few radios stations, 3.5 TV channels and two orchestras.

    How is that number justified? How are the likes of TV3 able to survive on their own two feet and RTE are not despite there being a license fee.

    And all this on the back drop over a heap of scandal's, missed targets, unfulfilled promises and political hype that never amounts to anything.

    Like imagine for example you're a person affected by Mica with the government unwilling to chase the builders or material providers responsible for your house falling apart. Nor will they fully reimburse you. Yet they're prepared to have over 3/4 of a Billion to management in Montrose after they've mismanaged the hell out of it.

    It's unbelievable, I do not get why people voted in FF/FG in the last local election. I'm not saying vote for SF but literally anyone would be better.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,404 ✭✭✭jj880


    I am 1 of those people. House falling down round me with defective concrete. A house Ive been paying a mortgage on for 16 years. You are 100% correct. It sticks in the craw seeing this shyite going on. Only a few weeks ago Tubs up here in Donegal lumping his cash from RTÉ's slush fund into Muff Liquor that he "wasnt legally compelled" to return.

    Im not looking to start a concrete debate but I feel like why the feck did I bother investing in this country by buying a home? There was no regulation. Quarries were allowed operate by councils here based on the CE mark as product insurance. The CE mark allows a 3 year statute of limitations on concrete. Just think about that for a second. 3 years for concrete. Its systemic. RTE is just a very public example at the moment.

    Post edited by jj880 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,088 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    She should be asking management that question not the local head of the NUJ.

    In Cavan there was a great fire / Judge McCarthy was sent to inquire / It would be a shame / If the nuns were to blame / So it had to be caused by a wire.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,889 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    Indeed, however O'Kelly is an employee of RTE as far as I know, she is not paid by the NUJ.

    She shouldn't have not addressed the obvious question.

    I accept your point that management need to come out from under their rock and now that JQtaxpayer is funding them directly, this business of siloing everything has to be brought to an end.

    SO FAR VERY LITTLE SIGN OF ANY CHANGE.



  • Registered Users Posts: 55 ✭✭SonicSuper


    The government didn't "bottle it". They achieved their goal and just brass necked it out until the scandal died down. Mission accomplished tbh. If the Irish electorate are thick enough to put up with government failing for as long as i am alive then that's their problem.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,543 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    In the TV building, what happened on Friday?

    Sadly I wouldn't have been surprised, perhaps that's why its not funny.

    Do we think that change the licence fee would have changed the outcome for RTÉ and Dee Frobes?


    ______

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,543 ✭✭✭RoTelly




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,543 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    One Orchestra, RTÉ lobbied make the NCH take control of the NSO, Cor Na Nog and the Choir. A saving on 7million, which the would have saved in 2021 … vast majority of that saving when to RTÉ ONE … https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RT%C3%89#Breakdown_of_the_licence_fee

    TV3 don't produce as much programming (but I won't start defending RTÉ).

    An average hour of TV costs 100,000 (That is a mix of Drama at the high end and Studio programming at the low end). About 3 hours per day. Now RTÉ would need to mix with some cheap programming and some cheap imported programming.

    However I highly doubt that RTÉ 1 produce anywhere near 3 hours of TV per day. RTÉ certainly does not.


    ______

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,843 ✭✭✭Beta Ray Bill


    100%

    Paddy is very forgetful and does not like to be the person forcing/pushing change.

    General election in the next 12 months anyway, more than likely all will be forgotten about and we'll get FF/FG again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,543 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    Just to get the funding model down : -

    2025 : Year 1

    €225m Licence Fee and Exchqure funding

    Increased in the Broadcasting and Media Funds going to €10m, plus Sound and Vision, bring it to 22.2m in 2025, I assume the extra 12.2m comes from the €255m

    2026 and 2027 RTÉ funding increases to 240m and then to 260m

    You think they'd have announced 2023 and 2024 funding.


    ______

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users Posts: 301 ✭✭Oxo Moran


    I think a massive need to make cut backs at top level would have helped the everyday staff and public know there was accountability and consequences.

    Scrap the licence, give them the budget to run one station and one radio station.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 566 ✭✭✭Shan Doras


    What exactly are the "Broadcasting and Media Funds" ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,861 ✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    I bought my TV off my mate who moved here from Scotland. It is a smart TV but doesnt have saorview and therefore I can not access RTE television and so I do not have a TV license.

    With its inability to pick up TV signals, if I was (somehow) legally directed to get a TV license, I would throw it into the black bin, and go out and buy a 42" monitor. The more people who similar, eventually RTE will have to change.

    There was some spoofer on with Pat Kenny earlier who was saying that license purchases are down 20% since Tubsgate, but that this decision should bring license uptake back to normal levels. I burst out laughing wondering "Based on what?". The trust remains gone. Why would anyone pay 160 a year while that trust is absent.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,889 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    What goal did they achieve as a matter of interest??



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,543 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    Sound and Vision which was originally funded via the licence fee, this was increased during covid using exchequer funding.

    Also there is a small fund for News media, across broadcast, online, local, national and print, again started during covid.

    The Dept of Foreign Affairs also have a small fund, if you see VMTV in the US you know they are using DFA money to fund the trip, RTÉ have 3 correspondents from this fund.

    On corresponedents and Emma Kelly, how did their Washington correspondent do during all the happenings in the US?


    ______

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,318 ✭✭✭Viscount Aggro


    Fair City … hopefully the private company takes a hatchet to the production costs.

    Theres old geezers still getting that gig. eg. Eamon Morrissey.

    Lets see new talent and storylines that are relevant to modern Ireland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,788 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    Jaysus Catherine Martin must have been awful if even government spokesperson and Mr Angry Fionnan Sheehan is saying it was an "abject performance".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,861 ✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    They could have a storyline where the old paint factory in Carrickstown burns down and the Gardai get attacked.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,858 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Emma O'Kelly should be the first to be made redundant. She does nothing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,460 ✭✭✭jippo nolan


    and don’t forget “missing in action” George Lee!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,364 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    You can guarantee 750m is only the start of it too, we have seen with every expenditure this government makes they run way over. RTE will be back with the paw out and the exchequer will oblige.

    It's a sickening amount of money for something most of us couldn't care less about.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,709 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    Why would anyone pay it when the government is going to top it up anyway.

    It is in effect double taxation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,698 ✭✭✭Tow


    They may be in new building, I know they are a 'walk' from the old studios. They had Crowdstrike on installed the studio PCs, so they were out of of action.

    When is the money (including lost growth) Michael Noonan took in the Pension Levy going to be paid back?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,477 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    And in response to the massive financial scandal at RTE , the Irish government have decided to give the broadcaster three quarters of a billion 🤣🤣

    If it wasn't obvious to everyone before that RTE is the government's propaganda wing I hope it's crystal clear now.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,858 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    No changes whatsoever. Massive failures and falling ratings and Catherine Martin gives even more money to RTE.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,106 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    presumably fines, imprisonment etc. will still be incurred by nonpayment?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,543 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    Do you notice how they decided on 3 years and not 4, wonder why they didn't give RTÉ some more security in the knowledge of what they'd be getting over 4 years.

    What's a billion between friends!


    ______

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,106 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    I wonder how set in stone all this is given we don't know the makeup of the next government. If Sinn Fein get in could it all be scrapped and RTE be written an (almost literal) blank cheque?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54,785 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    This decision sums up the Government to tee. I'm not surprised by this because this same government continuously rewards failure after failure, just look at McEntee as a prime example.

    This government continues to reward incompetence and failure. There is no repercussions here for RTE what so ever. It's depressing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,858 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Catherine Martin getting very upset with Fionan Sheehan at the press conference today.

    Maybe if Catherine Martin answered some questions. Massively incompetent and over promoted.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 566 ✭✭✭Shan Doras


    There's also a 3rd method of tax payers money going to RTE that hasn't been mentioned yet, buckets of government advertising on Radio and TV, even RTE Raidio Na Gaeltachta, which never had any advertising whatsoever until this year, now has buckets of government messages as gaeilge telling us not to blackmail our ex gfs with nudie pics



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,318 ✭✭✭Viscount Aggro


    I know a guy who works in RTE… his father worked there before him.

    I dont know how he got the job… it wasnt advertised.

    He works in some BS job fixing stuff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,772 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    If only everyone could just stop paying the license from today there is nothing they could do.


    Unfortunately we just roll over as a nation ince again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,106 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    They could move to direct exchequer funding of RTE, which seems to be what the medium term plan is anyway

    after five years RTÉ will be fully funded directly by the taxpayer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,023 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Catherine Martin said she was blocked at cabinet around reform of funding model.

    So after many reports and the fact it was in the programme for govt and the shenanigans of last year's revelations the decision was made to Do Nothing except throw money at the problem.

    New Politics.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,657 ✭✭✭political analyst


    You'd be released within a few hours of entering the prison.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,657 ✭✭✭political analyst


    I can't stand the current communications minister but the Exchequer isn't ready to start making all of the contribution of public money to RTÉ straight away. As is stated in the article that Loafing Oaf linked on this thread, the taxpayer will directly fund RTÉ after 5 years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,237 ✭✭✭hoodie6029


    I see that they are also looking into the possibility of making the households where they don’t have details of the occupants to sign a statutory declaration that they don’t have a television.

    Massive overreach and breach of our Constitutional right to privacy. The State has no right to ask me about the contents of my home unless they suspect criminal activity and they need a warrant to enter it. They may go back to the drawing board on this idea.
    GDPR means that the records have to be up to date too so you’d have to submit that thing every year. Will you have to tell them when you move? Do you have to tell them where you’ve moved to and if there is a television there too? Not a runner in my book.

    We need public service broadcasting, even more so in this day and age. We don’t want the only news feed we see to be determined by some tech bros in California and China. But the licence fee system is badly out of date.

    This is water. Inspiring speech by David Foster Wallace https://youtu.be/DCbGM4mqEVw?si=GS5uDvegp6Er1EOG



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 84,245 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    M


    Imagine how good the RTÉ Player will be with that ball of money behind it 🤔



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,339 ✭✭✭Widdensushi




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,151 ✭✭✭CollyFlower


    With this bail out I'd have more concerns about potential bias, therr has to be "strings attached". Like, promoting certain viewpoints and avoiding others, what topics to cover and how to cover them..... No change there though. 😒



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,657 ✭✭✭political analyst


    There's no evidence to indicate that those "strings attached" exist or ever will exist. Fianna Fáil is not the party that it was when Ray Burke was communications minister and is thus not hostile to being held to account by the media.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 844 ✭✭✭z80CPU
    Darth Randomer


    The app developer can give some jobs to his inner circle friends 😄



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,004 ✭✭✭skimpydoo


    Why has Martin and the rest of the government ignored the big elephant in the room? RTE being insolvent because it owes around €200M to cover it's bogus self employment tax bill.

    Also why don't RTE change flip flop supplier? I have found a nice pair at €1.30 that will suit all RTE's needs.



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