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Vice President Kamala Harris vs Donald Trump 2024

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,781 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    How do you know Trump is lying?

    Generally, it's whenever he opens his mouth.

    You don't think the man always tells the truth by any chance? And if you believe he tells the odd lie, why would you believe him when he says he doesn't support Project 2025?

    Personally, I believe him, bizarrely enough. I don't think he supports Project 2025, but only because it's 922 pages long and he's not exactly known for being a "reader". There is zero chance he's read it. So how can he support it?

    There is nothing in there though that I could see him being against, as it's all done in his interest.



  • Posts: 548 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Did I use that phrase? Maybe, I dont recall how I put it. I'll take your word for it.

    I am simply saying that IF Trump becomes President, the war will be brought to an end. Can the same be said for Harris?

    So your logic is that

    If he says something - it is a lie

    If someone says he is going to do something - it must be true

    How can Trump prove he isnt interested in Project 2025? Maybe you are being unrealistic in your expectations



  • Posts: 6,631 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    How to win election;

    -senile

    -Project 2025

    -abortion rights

    Focus on those and the Dems cannot lose.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,394 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    Higher then any other sitting president are you sure about that.

    Clue for you he didn't win the popular vote in 2020



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 668 ✭✭✭highpitcheric


    Bailey had a borderline personality" based on "narcissism, psycho-rigidity, violence, impulsiveness, egocentricity with an intolerance to frustration and a great need for recognition".

    • Psychiatrist Jean Michel Masson and psychologist Katy Lorenzo-Regreny


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,146 ✭✭✭✭briany


    So, to get this straight, when Trump and his acolytes deny knowledge or involvement with Project 2025, you're saying they're telling the truth?

    Are you saying that the same man, who helped create and aggressively promote a massive far-reaching conspiracy theory about the 2020 US election or who promoted the Obama birther conspiracy theory has no form for lying?

    I assume (or hope) you're not.

    Obviously, he has form for telling massive lies with big banging bells on.

    We cannot know what Trump would do in a second term, in the same sense that we cannot know if the sun will rise tomorrow. However, we can gather the data, we can look at previous form and rightly come to the conclusion that he has no particular respect for US democracy as it is.

    But,

    “Take me in oh tender woman,

    “Take me in, for heaven's sake,

    “Take me in oh tender woman,” sighed the snake.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    there is no way for him to prove he isn’t interested in project 2025 because he’s already confirmed that. Add the fact the overwhelming majority of its architects hail from his administration.


    Bonus for those tracking his best words: Herages.



  • Posts: 6,631 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    So he was lying, what a surprise.

    Of course the other explanation is that he's so senile he forgot.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    ”was he lying then, or is he lying now?”

    A prosecutors (like Kamala) favorite thing to get to ask in court :D



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    are you still here flogging this dead one trick horse?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,833 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    You know there's working class women as well, right? Also pretty sure the working class is not limited to just white guys...



  • Posts: 548 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    He had no control over Project 2025 existing or not. It wasnt an official document created by the Republican Party.

    Maybe read up on stuff for yourself instead of believing random people on the internet.

    But see that is all your opinion. That is the point. It is the same as me saying that Harris getting into power means more black men will end up behind bars for misdemeanors. Or Illegal Immigration will increase. Or International relations will start to weaken. All things that she has proven.

    I dont believe most of what Trump says. But I am observant enough to realise that I cant blame him for things he hasnt done. Like you know he wasnt responsible for 9/11 right? The Dems have put out a lot of blatant lies regarding him and many anti trumpers ignore it. In fact many anti trumpers claim the media is on his side despite the msm funding Biden and now Harris' campaign.


    Saying there is nothing in Project 2025 that you can see him being against?? Have you actually read it? To say there is nothing he wouldnt be against, indicates you have. I tried to read it but I didnt even make it half way (I lost the will to live at that point). But to say there is nothing in there that he wouldnt agree with, again is a generalisation and an opinion.

    Opinions are by very nature biased. I can say I am not a pro trumper. But I have defended a lot of the stuff said about him for years. I think there is a double standard in the MSM so I do call it out. I defended a lot of rubbish about Obama in the past as well. But because I defend someone means that despite my best intentions, my opinion is of course biased to some degree. All of ours is. Yours will be biased against Trump. For good reason. But we need to try to see the other side to understand the full story. Thats what I try to do.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    I dont believe most of what Trump says

    And there it is.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 668 ✭✭✭highpitcheric


    Yeah but im talking about the working men.

    They dont want to be told theyre privileged aftera 50 hr week climbing on roofs and phone poles. I assure you they dont want to know about pronouns or dei on a Friday.

    And they each have a vote.

    I think you finally get it.

    Bailey had a borderline personality" based on "narcissism, psycho-rigidity, violence, impulsiveness, egocentricity with an intolerance to frustration and a great need for recognition".

    • Psychiatrist Jean Michel Masson and psychologist Katy Lorenzo-Regreny


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,993 ✭✭✭irelandrover


    I don't believe Trump when he talks about project 2025. He stated he doesn't know who's behind it yet it was published by the Heritage foundation and the authors of many parts are already known.

    He will obviously be against some things in project 2025. But the chances are that a lot of what is in there would be implemented. And there is some really bad stuff in there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,413 ✭✭✭Field east


    is she BLACK !!!!!!!!!!???????? Could she not ‘pass’ as an Italian ( most Italians have a very brown/well tanned loops about them) ; does she not have the look of a nicely tanned Irish lady. An awful fit of women of all nationalities and none are born with that skin tone but it DEFINATELY not a black tone.
    what has colour of skin to do anyway with the job at hand. Anyone who does is to try and play to peoples biasnesses



  • Posts: 548 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Biden wanst the sitting president

    So if we say that he is about to take over Canada, does that mean its true? Because even if he denies it, we dont believe him.

    Democracy is not trying to stop political opponents from running. The Dems have a lot of experience in that kind of election interference abroad.

    Again, he has distanced himself from it. I mean I can keep repeating it or we can move on.

    As for the overwhelming majority of its architects line. That comes from a CNN report. Maybe there was loads, but do you really believe that they were all close allies of him? Or is it reasonable to think that many people involved in politics wanted to stay involved in politics so got involved in a project that might allow them to be back involved with politics.


    Really, its only difficult to understand if you dont want to understand. If you are looking for a stick, then sure, thats a stick. But if you want to debate, or to see if something is true, then its not as straight forward.

    Now if you want to discuss aspects of Project 2025 and the merits of why you think they could/would be implemented, then Im more than happy to do that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,146 ✭✭✭✭briany


    @Redliketoast

    But I am observant enough to realise that I cant blame him for things he hasnt done.

    I hope you're also observant enough to blame him for the things he has done, like aggressively promote a completely baseless lie (thrown out of courtrooms with prejudice up and down the land) about the 2020 election and send a mob of his followers to the US Capitol to stop its certification. I'd hope you're observant enough to conclude that such a man has no interest in the peaceful transfer of power.

    People do make judgements about others on past form all the time. For example, you wouldn't typically hire a person with an armed robbery conviction to be a manager at your bank. You wouldn't typically a person with a conviction for child molestation to teach at your montessori. Even though you don't know if they're likely to use their position to commit similar crimes in the future, you still take pause, and this has never been considered unreasonable, so why would it be unreasonable to conclude that a man who already tried to upend US democracy would pose a particular danger to it if once again put in charge of it?



  • Posts: 548 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Its all about subjectivity and context. You cant just say "I believe everything" or "I believe nothing". Both are silly statements.

    I dont expect anyone to agree with everything (or anything on here as it turns out lol) I say. But I do hope that some will look at what I say with subjectivity and see it in good faith.

    He said he knows "some of the people involved in it". The CNN report saying that loads worked for him wasn't the gotcha moment it was built as.

    What will be implemented in your opinion?

    I agree there is some god awful stuff in there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Wow just coming right out with the blatant racist screed.

    Well done?

    Republicans are BEGGING their members to cease and desist all the racist nonsense as it’s devastating to their general election strategy but do go on. I wouldn’t mind this brand of MAGA republicans devastated in November one bit.

    https://apnews.com/article/trump-harris-attacks-johnson-hudson-76f8e90d24004e49449087787ac031a5



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,907 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    But the chances are that a lot of what is in there would be implemented.

    I'm not convinced about this. AFAICS he governed in first term pretty much as a conventional Republican president, and I'm not seeing any overwhelming reason why the same won't apply if he is elected again. For me the real danger with Trump is he will try to cling onto power through extra-constitutional means once his second term is up…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Again, he has distanced himself from it. 

    Has he? Why does he even have to pretend to? Methinks the orange manbaby doth protest too much. Was he lying then, or was he lying now?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    name a conventional president that rolled over for Russia and saluted a North Korean general



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 668 ✭✭✭highpitcheric


    It was a straightforward initial post.

    A strategy and calculation that typically might come up in any political partys office, ... if we run a blue collar man we can get this voting block on board, if we run a single mother we can get that crowd on board.

    But oh no, not on this site. Here it became like the Jehovah scene from life of Brian.

    well guess what ... jehovah! jehovah! white male! black woman!

    Bailey had a borderline personality" based on "narcissism, psycho-rigidity, violence, impulsiveness, egocentricity with an intolerance to frustration and a great need for recognition".

    • Psychiatrist Jean Michel Masson and psychologist Katy Lorenzo-Regreny


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    I just think you’re helping her election out if you keep trying to make this race about her race. :)

    Getting kinda bored of seeing the same post from you over and over though: “omg did you know she’s black? How will white men react to this?”



  • Posts: 548 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I do


    I dont think he was directly responsible for the Jan 6th riots. He didnt say anything about starting violence or taking anything back. He did say to protest.

    But 100% he didnt do anything to calm tensions either. He should have.

    But look at when he got into power. Clinton and co blamed Russia. They talked about Russia for 4 years ffs. They did everything they could to delegitimise his presidency. There were many protests and demonsatrations where people got badly injured. Those went on for months all over the country. Not one day in one city. No Democrats tried to calm those tensions either.

    The fact is American politics is toxic. Now its going to get worse. They tried to stop a political opponent from running. Dont you see how bad that is? Lets say Trump gets in. What is stopping him from "trumping" up charges to stop potential Democrats from running in 4 years? Whats to stop him looking more into the some of his rivals "issues" in the past. This could get really dirty.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    They tried to stop a political opponent from running. Dont you see how bad that is? 

    Funny you should mention that

    https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4788663-andy-ogles-impeachment-articles-kamala-harris/amp/

    🥹



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,736 ✭✭✭20silkcut


    Hitler distanced himself from Mein Kampf in the early 30’s.
    phuck Godwins law.



  • Posts: 548 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You know you seem to post a lot of links and it comes across that you have really read them or watched them.

    How is talking about how someone is coming up with a plan

    conflicting to

    I really dont know whats in that thing and I dont want to know

    He clearly calls it out as being extreme far right and something he doenst agree with. Talking about something in the future tense doesnt have the same advantage of hindsight that the past tense does.

    But Im sure if you reply a smily face you will get another thanks 🤣



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,059 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    They tried to stop a political opponent from running?

    Have they forgotten Trump demanding LOCK HER UP without any evidence?

    Should a political opponent be able to break the law and get away with it when there's a material case against them - just because they stand for election?
    Nope. No one would seriously be able to defend that proposition.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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