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Bishop Eamon Casey - Child Abuse Allegations

  • 21-07-2024 10:15AM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,492 ✭✭✭


    Just listening to Brendan O’Connor, and this is the first time I heard of such allegations, which seem to have quite a lot of substance.

    We were always remarking that at least Bishop Casey only broke the church rules in regard with being human and falling in love with an adult, and there was a lot of societal forgiveness. Especially when much worse was to be heard in subsequent years regarding clergy.

    Younger people here won’t remember all this, but it will resonate with people of my generation (I’m 63).



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,492 ✭✭✭tohaltuwi


    A recap on Bishop Casey:

    The revelation of his having fathered a child was the initial publicly known church scandal, caused a stir at the time because the RC church was lecturing the faithful, most of Ireland, on sexual morality at the time.

    However when other clergy were revealed as child abusers, more or less “all was forgiven”, with regard to looking at the perspective of it. We did not know there was anything further to be revealed down the decades.

    One of Gay Byrne’s low points was how he treated Bishop Casey’s partner who was mother of his child, on the Late Late Show, painting the Bishop as a saint, and, just about unsaid, herself as a harridan by comparison.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,103 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    I also had never heard this about Casey. I see the article mentions Cleary was a paedophile too. Something I wasn't aware of either . I thought they were two vainglorious individuals who loved attention, but I thought that was the extent of it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,879 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    Story was around for many years and well publicised at the time in that it was in a few national newspapers - but I don’t think it came out until after his death so the story didtnt last that long



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,575 ✭✭✭Rows Grower


    First I heard of these allegations was on the radio this morning, very surprised to see Anne Lucey had reported on it in The Examiner as far back as 2019. That took courage.

    The fact that no other news networks or journalists followed it up goes to show how easily we are manipulated by the mainstream media and those who control it.

    Also the fact that the Church refused to allow Casey back into fold after carrying out it's own investigations speaks volumes.

    https://extra.ie/2024/07/21/news/irish-news/bishop-eamonn-casey-vatican

    "Very soon we are going to Mars. You wouldn't have been going to Mars if my opponent won, that I can tell you. You wouldn't even be thinking about it."

    Donald Trump, March 13th 2018.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,492 ✭✭✭tohaltuwi


    I thought that the church was just asserting they weren’t allowing clergy who had broken their vows with adultery to remain and that he had simply fallen in love with a woman and a child resulted.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,203 ✭✭✭drury..


    He screams arrogance Casey. I've known priests like that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 92,394 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    I only heard of this in here today

    Who pays the financial settlement, was it Casey himself or the church?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,492 ✭✭✭tohaltuwi


    Re his friend, Fr Cleary, I spoke on his radio show once, and got a lift home from the studio, mad driver that he was. I wasn’t surprised about hearing his “housekeeoer” was his partner and that there was a child resulting from the union.

    As regards paedophilia, this doesn’t surprise me either because his partner Phyllis was a vulnerable underage girl “shelteting” in a home, and not alone did she have the boy that lived with them, but an older boy too, which she must have given birth to when very young, and he is said to have been fathered by Cleary too. That is statutory rape, and for a mature man, under the guise of being a caring father figure and a man of God, that is in itself a form of paedophilia with a preference for post-puberty children. It’s got some name, I forget atm.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,025 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    I remember when the Casey story broke back in the early 90s. I was in a newsagent in Galway and there were 3 women there that wanted him killed for bringing shame on the church. I naively said at least he was showing normal human urges unlike some of the other paedophile monsters in the church. They tore me apart and were nearly suggesting that Casey's actions were worse than the "few bad eggs". Strange cultish thinking. I always wondered why women defended the church so much when they were second class citizens at the time. Little did we know that Casey was also an abuser. Nothing shocks me anymore about that disgusting organisation and their backward thinking.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



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  • Posts: 9,954 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    An uncle had old school argument with him via letter, about an article he wrote or was quoted saying in a newspaper. What amazed my uncle most was that he bothered to even reply and several letters went back and forth.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,203 ✭✭✭drury..




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,203 ✭✭✭drury..


    Now you mention it , it wouldn't be outrageous to call the CC the world's biggest cult



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,495 ✭✭✭Damien360


    This is news to me. He was Bishop of Galway when I did my confirmation. He visited our school "for a chat" soon after his drink driving conviction in the UK. I remember the diversion of diocesan funds. Even after his death, the majority would see his indiscretion as one with a consenting adult. Lots was known of the man.

    Our family personally knew James McLoughlin who was next in line and he was Eamon's secretary and he had much to say about funds and what was going on but nothing about children. He gave my granny last rights and she jumped out of the bed to get on her knees for the incoming Bishop giving her a blessing.

    Not to credit Éamon Casey on this, but if the scandal of Annie Murphy hadn't broke and finally break the halo surrounding the priests, we may never have heard about the widespread child abuse. In my mind, the Bishop Casey story broke the glass ceiling and it was gloves off.

    On a seperate note, there were strong rumours of goings on in the st Joseph's Salthill at that time and it ended up leveled fairly quickly. There is a paper about the physical abuse but the time was also the height of child abuse scandals coming out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,025 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    I didn't realise he remained a bishop until his death in 2017.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,203 ✭✭✭drury..


    It appears there was a power struggle of sorts

    He was resistant to sanction



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,492 ✭✭✭tohaltuwi


    It was my first official consciousness of scandals or mistruths going on among the clergy. However a work colleague had previously spoken about abuses and breaches of trust, widespread sexual activity taking place in the clergy. We thought she might have been exaggerating slightly, but this lady wasn’t given to either lies or exaggeration. I remember then discussing with my own family about the rumours, and it kind of upset my parents a little bit, with a touch of “don’t believe all you hear”.

    Except my father was always very wary about authority, since he was sexually abused as a boy by a policeman. When all the revelations came out he was upset at the extent of it.

    One time, my mother discussed with my father about boarding school for me as I was an only child and she thought it might be good for my socialisation. We had a good family friend, a Scottish priest who was in the Passionist order, and he’d sometimes be staying at Mount Argus in Dublin, fairly near us. My Dad had been very against the idea of my being sent boarding, and he had a chat with this priest about it. The priest said he was dead against boarding schools as “you can’t trust that things don’t go on, not everyone in charge is a saint”. He had heard about bad things going on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 301 ✭✭Oxo Moran


    People should be free to follow their faith.

    The organisation of the church should be banned. We could use their land for houses.

    Any other company or organisation this complicit in so many crimes would be shut down.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 480 ✭✭Ted222


    Some of Casey’s alleged abuse occurred in England in 2001. You’d think by then he would have been somewhat remorseful but no - quite the opposite.

    What a hideous individual.



  • Posts: 3,330 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    If a chain of creches had so much paedophilia ingrained in it , the business would be closed and the directors in jail.

    Yet hundreds and thousands of sheep parents line up to baptise their kids and have the big day out for the confirmunions.

    The mind boggles.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,171 ✭✭✭TheRepentent


    Its never ending with this pedo organisation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,138 ✭✭✭Deeec


    I'm one of the sheep you refer to. Yes while some members of the catholic church of old behaved disgracefully in their treatment of certain children and woman ( which can't be excused), there was a lot of good work done aswell. Some Hospitals and schools would not have existed without the catholic church - the government were not able to provide this. It's very naive to believe that the entire church was bad. Religion is a very personal thing and you have to be able to separate the present to what happened in the past.

    Its boresome and tiresome to be labelled an idiot just because I have faith.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,495 ✭✭✭Damien360


    I would be of the same opinion as you. Ireland was dirt on the shoe of the old empire. The church took on the role of education although I'm unsure of their healthcare kudos past the provision of the buildings and land for them. Ireland would be years further behind in education without the church.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,413 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    One of the great myths of the Irish state.

    The state built to regional hospitals, the British built the hospitals that used be called the city and county homes which were later given religious names. The state also built the sanatoriums and the state gave us the the revolutionary vaccination programs.

    The churches main role was to hold back healthcare in this country by being absolute c**ts about any healthcare particularly surrounding women that didn't suit their warped view of the world.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,338 ✭✭✭Iscreamkone


    But you ARE an idiot if you believe in any of it. Usually we try to be nice and say each to their own etc. But if you believe a ghost came and knocked up a virgin who then had a gods baby then you are an idiot. If you believe that a man in a dress can turn biscuits into the dead god baby’s ACTUAL body and blood then you are an idiot. It’s all wooo isn’t it?

    Then you have the rapist priests, anti divorce, anti contraception, anti abortion, discrimination against gays and women.

    Anyone who is in this club and especially those who bring their child to join this club is an IDIOT of the highest order.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,492 ✭✭✭tohaltuwi


    I think the Vatican demoted him to Fr Casey iirc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,138 ✭✭✭Deeec


    No I'm not an idiot though. Im lucky to have received an excellent education in a Catholic primary and secondary school which gave me a good basis for life. I have a nice home, family and life is good

    I find comfort in believing that I will meet deceased loved ones again. It gives me great comfort in times of stress to say a prayer and light a candle. I believe my faith has helped me through tough times. Does that make me an idiot.

    Nowadays people either have faith or turn to anti depressants or counselling. Personally I prefer faith.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,492 ✭✭✭tohaltuwi


    Most people were until more recently. It was the norm, the status quo, and people get a lot from their faith. There have always been good people in the church, which was invaded by a lot of undesirables.

    My cousin’s son went in to be a priest, fell in love with an absolutely fabulous girl, left the priesthood after they gave him a decision-making break, he is still full of faith and so is his now wife. That’s what they have in common as well as both being intellectual. He had always battled with the thoughts he couldn’t get married and have children before going into the priesthood and wished the Vatican would allow him to remain in ministry. A very good priest lost.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,633 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Many of the local national schools were built by the local community, in the 1800s. Nothing to do with the church. the church took control of them later.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,492 ✭✭✭tohaltuwi


    By that reasoning Al ost the entire nation were idiots. Human beings are by nature inclined to follow a belief system and put it in simple terms. Humans love to simply things, as happens on Twitter etc with the current replacements for religion.

    I’m on the fence with my belief, many days my belief is gone, other days I have insights which restore my faith for another little bit. You can call me an idiot, I know you don’t mean it personally but you are frustrated at the illogicality of people.

    Sometimes I think it is reasonable that a higher mystical power would send themselves in the form of a new born to fit the pattern of the day, and emerge as an amazing human being with a message that goes against the grain of current thinking, and without internet or anything remotely like it, spread the interesting message down through hundreds of generations. The message was largely to accept the people you dislike for no good reason. That resonates very much today.



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