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Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,924 ✭✭✭Coillte_Bhoy


    Against what exactly? Link me to these polls please



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,763 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    So you agree that airlines and ferry companies worldwide should just allow “asylum seekers “ to board and just be brought to Ireland? Thanks for being honest, everyone who reads your constant posting now knows where you’re coming from



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,268 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    I'm on holidays about to jump into the sea. Just do a quick Google on refugee/ immigration polls in Ireland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,107 ✭✭✭Gen.Zhukov


    There's been loads of polls over the last 2 years and they all say the same - You're acting the maggot there with the 'What polls, show me the links' stuff - unless you live in a forest that is

    Just 2 that I happened to have to hand. The IDM and the IT

    idm poll.jpg IT poll 2.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,268 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Thank you just out of the sea and I'm exhausted in 35 degrees shade now! Don't have the energy to be digging up extremely well known points at this stage. Like you said a lot of messers here. But appreciate you responding on my behalf.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,299 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    It's not just that, it's time the Government got real here, areas like this are struggling for resources, try getting onto a Doctors list, a dentist, mental health care services and you'll probably be left waiting for a year or two… These estates across Dublin are barely Policed, try calling for a Gard if you need help and you'll be lucky to see one… There's no mosque's in the area, it's a quite monocultural area too..

    Didn't see any announcements in the media about extra resources being put into the area to support 100's of people with I presume a lot of supports immediately required?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,274 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Why were there none of these concerns when all the 100s of new apartments were going up in the area? I didn't see anyone protesting then



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,268 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    To be honest we're probably 20 year's away from scenes like that. But that doesn't make it any less alarming. You have to nip these things in the bud.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,924 ✭✭✭Coillte_Bhoy


    Doesn't answer my question, 75% are against what i asked the other poster. I have concerns over immigration and would respond a such if i was asked in a poll, but that doesnt mean i would actively oppose ipac centres or engage in violent clashes with the gardai



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,135 ✭✭✭Peter Flynt


    Even the bleedin heart lefties can take time out from calling people "far roight and wacist" to note that it's not right to place 300 men in a town of 250 people and literally change the course of a community that has existed for a thousand years overnight.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,299 ✭✭✭Tenzor07




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,274 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Because I lived nearby in edenmore for the last 8 years and never heard a peep or saw any protests until now



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,299 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    Oh right, follow the development and planning system for the North Dublin area in detail then do you? Or just because you resided on the northside of Dublin means you pick up your knowledge of the next few years of planning applications for fun then? I'm sure not even some of the local councillors in the area know as much as you claim to..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,274 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Do you normally expect to see announcements in the media regarding extra services when apartments are built, or only when IPAS centres open?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,299 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    Announcements regarding dropping 500 to 1000 IPA's into an area isn't part of the standard planning process nor is it announced years in advance in the news so how would I know about IPAS centres opening exactly?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,073 ✭✭✭prunudo


    i hope you're right, because would give time to amend policy and correct things but I fear we are barrelling down the tracks like a runaway train a lot quicker than people realise.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,790 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203


    The vast majority of people in new apartment developments would probably already have a doctor, dentist etc.

    500+ men from another country won't.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,073 ✭✭✭prunudo


    that because there is no plan, the government are like headless chickens and haven't thought it through. The countries infrastructure investment and implementation is painful slow and marred in delays and totally out of sync with population increases. Often objected too by the same people who claim we should welcome every asylum chancer with open arms.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,790 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 390 ✭✭sekiro


    They aren't saying it in good faith. Actually they will work hard to avoid saying it's a good plan because it obviously is not.

    A feature of the Internet and platforms where people have discussions has always been that you will have a handful of people who, for whatever reason, get enjoyment from trying to paint others in a bad light. Implying, but not outright accusing, racism etc.

    500 single unemployed males stuck in a warehouse, being promised all the opportunities in the world while being provided with none, is obviously an absolutely terrible idea. Obviously. Regardless of race or religion or any other factor. Obviously.

    Some people are against it for racist reasons though and we can't be seen to be supporting that. Of course.

    With social media and the Internet in general, we've manged to create a huge problem something like turkeys voting for Xmas because they've heard that racists really hate Xmas.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 872 ✭✭✭creeper1


    I think we may be able to introduce ID cards. This could be linked to biometric details. All citizens and those lawfully here would be issued them.

    Guards could demand the production of said identity cards. Tourists would need to produce proof of hotel bookings or give the address of family members they are staying with. Those without would need to show them at a guarda station within three days.

    If they fail to show up guards could track them deport, imprison or even cane. I'm a big admirer of Singapore which actually issues caning for illegal immigrants. I certainly approve that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,299 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    I don't recall seeing any T.D's being as vocal in their support of the people who elected them, according to videos on YT i've seen there's been no locally elected representatives down at Coolock trying to resolve the situation… This just feeds into the disconnect between those in power and the issues and people they're supposed to represent.. When no one is speaking up for you then it feeds into those encouraging violent protests..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,790 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203


    They havent, but they did attend a meeting when the DOI held a consultation and told them what was planned and they said nothing there either.

    SF should be all over this. It's an open goal and I'm starting to think they don't actually want to be in government.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,073 ✭✭✭prunudo


    its high time the politicians in these areas grew a back bone. They're afraid to be seen with the protesters for fear they'll be labelled or stigmatised by their parties and their buddies in the media. Whichever TD grasps the nettle and actually speaks out and speaks common sense will be rewarded in the polls. Unfortunately their cronies have told them to stay away and are too afraid to put their head above the parapet.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,299 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    MLMCD has said that SF are a firmly left wing party, Eoin OBroin is a perfect example of it, so they definitely won't support protests of any sort outside an IPAS centre.. Again, all of this is creating a political vacuum where opportunist political figures can slip right into the frame and pretend they're representing the people…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 376 ✭✭giseva


    Carol Nolan forewarned the government in 2022 I believe, raising genuine concerns about their dysfunctional migrant policy and the apparent contempt for the communities effected, she was called all sorts of names as a result!

    Turns out she was right, though I don't think she has received an apology, or ever will.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 376 ✭✭giseva


    Turning up on a coastline and scrambling out of a boat is one thing and it isn't happening on our shores. People are country hopping, ripping up documents, and crossing the border up the north, or presenting themselves at passport control in Dublin Airport and saying "sorry pal, don't worry about that flight I've just come off, I've no passport and I'm fleeing persecution...oh and you'll have to take my word for it"

    Not sure if it's sinister forces at play, or just sheer government incompetence and fear that their EU masters might give out to them.

    People fleeing conflict and oppression should be helped where practical but passing through numerous safe countries to get here shouldn't be the most favourable option. But I understand why it is given our welfare system is so easily exploited. It's bad enough when Irish people spend their lives exploiting it, but let's make it worse by opening it up to whoever wants it.

    Our government should sort out our own country out before trying to save the world and everyone in it. And on recent events, how did they ever think putting a refugee center in the middle of Coolock of all places was ever going to be met with anything other than complete resistance?

    These people are our leaders, God help us!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,254 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    Hilarious, you lot loose your s**t when AGS act with remarkable restraint enforcing the basis of law and order. Yet you want a police state!

    Then you want to protect 'our culture' while we become more like Singapore.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54,076 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    I'd love if the Government actually came out and explained their position on immigration. I certainly cannot understand why we are taking in such large numbers and why they are crossing through so many countries to get here.

    I am not against taking in a certain amount but undocumented people should not take precedence. I have a friend in Canada who works with the Immigration department and they have reps in these countries where the immigrants are coming from, filtering at the source and deciding who qualifies and who they take into Canada. Why can't Ireland do the same?

    I am also against the violence and I believe that there's a gouger element attaching itself to genuinely concerned groups.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,274 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Europe take millions and millions every year. Some are going to trickle through to Ireland where we speak English and have a strong economy. Now that we have international communities here they may have links here already.

    So of course some are going to pass through Germany and France and the UK to get here, many don't though and stay in these countries too. All wealthy countries with opportunities attract migrants one way or another, that's the nature of humanity.



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