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Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 896 ✭✭✭InAtFullBack


    I noticed very similar clothing material worn by one of the 'lads' tearing down the Irish Waterway's fencing as Mary-Lou McDonald had worn recently.

    Kudos to SF, they're well in with the re-use/recycling thing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,490 ✭✭✭dublin49


    One thing posters on here need to bear in mind is not every situation evolves from malevolent intent.We all knew we had a direct provision centre somewhere up by the airport but it didnt really impact our lives so we left it to Government to sort as best they deemed necessary.

    The Government unfortunately had as much interest in resolving this issue as the the rest of us so it was long fingered.

    So post Covid when immigration really kicked off the powers that be were in a low energy mode when it came to immigration so anomalies escalated ,no deportations,folks from 2nd countries.safe countries etc.sure it will be alright on the night attitude.

    Allied to this low energy/nothing works mentality was a an upsurge in the Woke agenda.

    "Ireland welcomes all "and "the people of East Wall/Sandwich St etc don't represent us" cry went out ,and was generally unchallenged.

    In work ,in sport ,in life ,when things go wrong ,I find most folk like to look for a culprit rather than a reason.

    My view is ,the people of Newtown Mount Kennedy,Coolock,East Wall et al are good people with a few nut cases attached.

    I genuinely believe that the Government are not involved in any Great replacement conspiracy and their bona fides were well meaning all along albeit they failed to spot when their good intentions were being taking advantage of.

    but,

    they now know we are being taking advantage of ,we cannot sustain the level of support being offered and we need to say sorry but our focus is now on the people of our country and we have done more than enough for Ukraine and elsewhere but for the social cohesion of this country we are closed for now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 376 ✭✭giseva


    It's a big money maker so I've no doubt it will continue, regardless of the impact large numbers of male migrants (we all want to know where the women and children are) will, and already are having on towns and villages across the country.

    There are good and bad in all walks of life but only a fool would believe that 100% of these men are saints, fleeing persecution and pose no threat now or in the future.

    We have laws in this country that some people born and bred here don't adhere to. But let's take in tens of thousands of "asylum seekers" who couldn't give a flying f@#k about our laws, our culture, our attitudes towards women and girls and a host of other issues. That'll work.

    I've seen the videos, I've heard the stories.

    Even if a migrant is on his best behavior in their planted location, and never steps out of line, it's a natural instinct for a parent to be fearful for their child's safety when large groups of men they know nothing about and share nothing in common with, are forced on them, they're just told to deal with it. That alone is an awful thing to inflict on communities. And, unfortunately, but not surprisingly, bad things have already happened.

    And God forbid, when we do start seeing crime rates rise as has happened in many EU countries and the increase in sexual assaults or worse, best believe, it won't be a migrant issue, it will be a man issue. Do better, men!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 896 ✭✭✭InAtFullBack


    And God forbid, when we do start seeing crime rates rise as has happened in many EU countries and the increase in sexual assaults or worse, best believe, it won't be a migrant issue, it will be a man issue. Do better, men!

    Spot on, I watched the recent ITV documentary from Cardiff/Nottingham regarding this. See: https://www.itv.com/news/2024-07-17/approached-by-20-men-in-two-hours-the-reality-of-being-a-woman-alone-at-night

    One thing that struck me was when the documentary finally turned to presenting it's findings to the newly elected Labour Party representative her knee-jerk response to it was that "we need to educate men".

    This despite the fact that 19 out of the 20 men were not of a White-British background. Even the lone-White British bloke was 'concerned' for her safety while being excessively drunk-pushy.

    Sums alot up really. Video relating to the article here: https://x.com/itvnews/status/1813887551523951008



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,275 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    We don't know what the local community's wishes are. Fringe protest groups such as 'Coolock Says No' waving Irish tricolours - presumably what could best be described as "right wing Irish nationalists" - speak only for themselves. This idea that they are the entire community is a bit of a nonsense,



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 896 ✭✭✭InAtFullBack


    Biggest crowd all week turned up tonight. Five days in.

    Bigly as DJT would say.

    But keep on doubling down on reality.

    Rubber always hits the road, eventually.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,580 ✭✭✭10000maniacs


    If the government don't smell the coffee and keep going with this crazy campaign, its going to keep getting worse for them. They still have the option to back down from this with a bit of dignity.

    Ireland is full and when Coolock says no, Its a pretty clear message to me. Couldn't be any clearer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 512 ✭✭✭Coolcormack1979


    ff and fg will walk back into government at next election.all the bitchin in the world on here ain’t going to change this madness of a policy.sad times ahead



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,790 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203


    Well if the protests are only from a small minority, surely the govt can place these men in other areas if its all fine and just ignore the small minority. That small minority in coolock will get bigger until government backs down.

    How about they convert say, Herbert park Into a refugee camp akin to Gormanstown in 2022. Am sure the locals will be totally fine with it and won't object at all.

    Govt have created a mess for themselves and they will go into self protection more now ahead of a pending GE.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,790 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203


    D4 = concern citizens

    Working class area = far right

    Thought the govt said nobody has a right to veto who lives in their neighbourhood



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    if tents started appearing in Herbert Park the Merrion residents association would turn into the local Volkssturm over night , there are 2 sets of rules unfortunately. The Gov know better than to provoke the good post codes

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,003 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    That appears to fears about fire not migrants. Fears of fire are valid with the neanderthals roaming about.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,271 ✭✭✭Quags


    Ah now ffs, you aren’t believing that are ye.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,339 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    I don't know. I thought there were some emotive posters here with all the solutions and strong rhetoric. I am all ears.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,582 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    People aren’t going to vote for the right wing loons.

    If immigration is an issue, last elections would have shown so. They didn’t.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    lol, the next door Jeremy the barrister is not likely to hop the wall now is he? the pen is mightier than the sword and all that , pip pip

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    And then if you don't want hundreds of single men from the Middle East and Africa dropped on your doorstep they'll say, "you don't get to veto who's in your community". This sums up their utter disregard for Irish people.

    What they're doing here is framing the situation as if we're talking about one or two individuals whom you don't like buying a house beside you - maybe there's not much you can do about that.

    But this is clearly not the same as government strategy of bringing in thousands of single males from around the world en masse and housing them in social homes, factories, student accommodation, and whatever other buildings they can find via an International Protection system that is not fit for purpose.

    The government is purposely conflating these scenarios. It's dishonest and harmful.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,003 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Ah are you one of the adorbs who thinks its actually locals "protesting". How cute.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    who knows, who cares, point is "the pen" will be taken more seriously in D4, you just have to see the difference between tents popping up around the city and somewhere like Sandymount. The boys in blue will have them gone in an hour if its Sandymount, we get a better service ;-)

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,495 ✭✭✭sonofenoch


    Just for **** and giggles I'd love to see the reaction of a handful of regulars on this thread to half a dozen or so singles males from Afghanistan and Syria moving into a vacant house next door to them 🤣



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,254 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    In essence and with some practical considerations and conditions attached that's the route we need to take Europe wide.

    It's not changing who can and can't enter the state, only removing traffickers etc from the equation.

    Funnily enough you guys scoff at the idea we're outsourcing our (failing and expensive) deterrent policies to the traffickers, deaths at sea and north African militias. Yet you're clearly very, very attached to the principle that people face these horrors, including the widespread rape and exploitation of women and children, on their way here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,339 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Correct. The loud mouth loons only scare people back to the status quo.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,254 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    Coolock hasn't said anything.

    Going by attendance figures and makeup, the vast majority don't want anything to do with these protests.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I think youre underestimating the support in Coolock. There's a whole cohort of people who don't want this centre used for IPAs but wouldn't attend a protest because of all the trouble that kicks off and also because of the labelling of people who attend.

    Watching some of the videos from the protests from the last few days many of the people driving by were beeping in support.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,070 ✭✭✭prunudo


    The support is there but the pou presence and risk of trouble keep many away.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,265 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Whether that's true or not about 75% of the country as proven by polls don't want more of this so they want nothing to do with the 500 men supposed to go in either. Not sure what the end game here is. The vast majority of Irish don't want to go out protesting where they're right or left leaning. The fact thousands marched last night say's it all really.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 896 ✭✭✭InAtFullBack


    That community could clearly do with another four or five similarly sized IPAS centres. Path of least resistance and all that lark. The IPAs themselves are so lucky to have that community where there is no protests.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,273 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    there were protests, they didn't achieve anything, so the IPAS went in and life goes on as normal. as usual it's local scumbags causing the issues around here as my boards neighbours in the area will attest to, i would imagine it would be the same in coolock. for some reason the concerned residents only care about crime enough to go out and protest if there are foreigners involved.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,924 ✭✭✭Coillte_Bhoy


    75% don't want what exactly? You just making up figures ya?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,265 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Look up the polls done regarding this topic. About 75-80% of the population are against this.



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