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Nissan Leaf battery upgrade

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  • Posts: 1,114 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The red car looks like the facelift from UK but it still has the old battery chemistry pack. So suffered from mad degradation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,764 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Don't tell me there is no way of finding out what battery a Nissan Leaf 24kWh has? Either old or lizard?

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,878 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    The other way is to look in the boot of a 2013 car. If it has a big hump right up against the rear seats, it's an older battery car.


    edit:

    I recall something about the base spec Visia not having this same hump. Suffice to say that if you want a shopping trolley, go for the cheapest Leaf out there. If you want to be able to run to the bingo hall too, you better get a 2014+ 🤣

    Stay Free



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,867 ✭✭✭kanuseeme


    Nissan leaf, ✔️ poor range ✔️ get rid of car ✔️ have your pride and joy drive it

    Sometimes I forget which thread I am in.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,878 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    This isn't one about PHEVs.

    The title of each thread is at the top of the page and in the browser window.

    Stay Free



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,867 ✭✭✭kanuseeme


    If you cannot see the similarities between what I checked and the other thread all hope is lost, a car is fine as long as it barely does 40 km on battery, complete useless if it does just as much on electric and also has an internal combustion engine, here is one for you, look up, it says " Electric Vehicles & Hybrids" .

    funny.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,764 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    You on about that stuff again? I'd rather a pure EV even if that means I can not go (ever) beyond the range of the car. And I like zero or negative depreciation cars. And I'd rather not pay all the extra maintenance, extra fuel, extra insurance, extra toll and extra tax that comes with having to drag a non-necessary piece of 19th century tech with me wherever I'm going (not far) 😂

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,867 ✭✭✭kanuseeme


    I just commented on how the same car, slightly different circumstances is either buy or sell and some how I touched a nerve, maybe I fail to see the subtle difference between a guy who slowly used his car down to at best a 40km car in ideal weather to sell it, and recommending a car for a young woman who knows next to nothing, now that I typed it, still cannot see the difference,

    That is your choice, I fail to see how 40 km is good but 41 km is bad because it used an 19th century technology to do 1 km , its splitting hairs I have done nearly 200 km this week, last night coming home from tesco, the engine switched on, few kms that all, I switch units on the car from km per litre, to litres per 100 km, to know how much I used.

    0.02 l/100 km, in old speak 14,124 mpg imperial.

    The problem is people do go far, I have no need for 2 cars, I have no wish to be stuck charging when I do not want to be, I have used my brain and whats available, practical, and safe, at no great purchase price or inconvenience.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,878 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    We get it. You love your PHEV which for you is the best of both worlds. Good for you. You're picking out an obviously tongue-in-cheek comment I made and trying to make out that it validates your view point as superior to everyone who holds the view that a PHEV is a halfway, on the fence, inferior mode of transport. I looked into both and made the right choice when I bought a Nissan Leaf. I would choose a 2011 Leaf with 50km of range over a PHEV unless I needed more range for commuting. To be honest, I would quicker choose a full petrol than the likes of a prius.

    Thankfully, the Leaf is now our "other EV" and we have an EV with significantly more range for my now extended commute.

    Stay Free



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,867 ✭✭✭kanuseeme


    Tongue in cheek that speaks volumes, and for a serious matter like a young woman driving it its perfectly ok. validate or not validate, I do not care, I will continue to push for a balance view, not drinking the EV kool aid .

    I did not draw any conclusion or make any, I just pointed out the difference in threads, you seemed to have gotten your frilly underwear in a knot,

    You can drive anything you want, its your choice.

    Its a crap car that guy should sell, maybe get a wheelchair user to buy it, as per thread standard.

    The end.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,878 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    If the car no longer suits the user, then either the car needs a battery upgrade, or better still....sell to someone who only needs that range and then get a car with more range. That doesn't mean he needs an inferior PHEV with all the higher costs and lower performance involved. Not everyone is a terrified little girl when they don't have an engine as a backup 😉

    Stay Free



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,764 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    The worst degraded Leaf in Ireland from 2011 will in 2031 still have plenty of range to bring an old pensioner to mass or to the shop even though it can only do 10km 😂

    Not joking, I wouldn't be surprised if there are several thousand cars still on the road in this country that only do 20km or less per week (1k km per year)

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,494 ✭✭✭zg3409


    Range therapy are not swapping individual cells as in fixing batteries, nor repairing any faults in leafs but there are some EV specialist garages that might have a go but at inflated garage rates. The other issue is having your car off the road for a number of weeks depending on turnaround time. It's good new that battery upgrades are not needed/not viable, it shows that there is good value longer range options and that the old batteries are continuing to drive around and not be scrapped in any high numbers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1 pmrecording


    Hi there, have Leaf 2011 and I'm interested in your option, are you still doing these main battery upgrade with LG Chem cells?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,494 ✭✭✭zg3409


    I see on the nissan leaf Ireland Facebook group an Irish driver got his leaf upgraded to 40kWh battery by range therapy for 7k all in and notified his insurer. It might not make economic sense now it has a used 40kWh battery but great to have the option. CCS conversions are possible too but still in testing phase. (CCS charger for Leaf [upto 125kw/hr] – Cost €2319 [€2852 VAT incl] [still testing])

    Main issue is shortage of crashed leafs with donor batteries.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,494 ✭✭✭zg3409


    From Facebook today

    A big thank you to Rangetherapy. They replaced our 7 year old leaf 30kw battery with a 67kw one. Our range has more than quadrupled! Very happy with the outcome.

    Followed by a comment

    We did it about 5 months ago. A 151 leaf 24kw to a 62kw battery. 11000 all in. Best decision I've ever made. I now have a range around 375km depending on driving/weather conditions.

    Not only that he installed our old leaf battery as a range wall for our solar panels. Which saved us around 20000. Eamon is fantastic to deal with.

    From website

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,764 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    So they took their €5k car, spent €11k on it. And now it is worth €9k at best.

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,193 ✭✭✭joe1303l


    Sentimental value can be the only plausible explanation.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,764 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    The only logical explanation. I'm afraid the owner doesn't see it like that though, they are under the illusion they have saved €20k 🙄

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,149 ✭✭✭monkeybutter


    Surely there aren't many 350k range cars out there for less money and the solar battery is worth a few bob, maybe 5k

    If they kept the car 10 years



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,764 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    A degraded Leaf 24 battery is worth about €1k. For the €16k that they spent (incl. the value of their own car), they could have bought a Kona 64 with a few thousand change or almost an eNiro 64 (and dare I say it just a touch short of a Tesla) both with significantly more range than this upgraded Leaf (as these cars have a far more efficient drive train and use battery conditioning). And then they would have had a car that is still worth €16k. Not a €5k car with a battery upgrade making it worth just a few grand more than that

    Only if you have sentimental value in your particular older Leaf, should you consider a battery upgrade at commercial cost. You are basically pissing away money.

    Now of course if you can DIY at a fraction of the cost, by all means go ahead and do it. Dala from Finland has done this many times and has shared all his knowledge on Youtube

    https://www.youtube.com/c/DalasEVRepair/videos

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,149 ✭✭✭monkeybutter


    How do you come up with that price for the battery, once converted to the purpose of a solar battery

    It's hard to find any of those cars in that price range, if at all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,764 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Have a look in the EV bargains thread. A 64kWh Kona was recently in there with an asking price of just 11k. High mileage, but still. Several of them have been posted in there for around the €15k asking price. We've seen the 64kWh eNiro in there for €17k in the last few weeks.

    Leaf battery, see eBay. Or just deduct from the fact that you can pick up a fully working Nissan Leaf with valid NCT from about €2k (see DoneDeal)

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,038 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    I think his 20k figure is based on using the old battery as a house battery. It was a 30kWh battery when new, presumably has 20kWh+ left at the very least? people pay about 5k for a 5kWh battery so that's probably accurate

    €11k is a lot of money to be spending on a 7 year old car mind…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,764 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    A commercial 5kWh LiFePO4 battery is about €1500 now. Even when prices were much higher and there was COVID scarcity, they were never over €2500, let alone €5k. Or you can buy a complete self assembly 15kWh pack for €2500 incl. case, all cabling, fuse, BMS, etc.

    And you have to be very careful and know what you are doing if you use a lithium ion battery like from a Nissan Leaf to power your home. Firstly, the battery can NOT go inside the house. Secondly, you have to have an excellent BMS solution in place

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,494 ✭✭✭zg3409


    I hear that phone app leaf spy may already or nearly have the feature to marry second hand batteries to an old car, even if bigger capacity. That may mean if the battery can be physically swapped in terms of shape and connections then it can be enabled from your phone. That may make certain swaps or upgrades a physical only job and lots of garages may start offering the service. Even if they don't if you ask them to do the physical swap you can do the software side yourself. However there are physical differences between different packs and connectors etc. so do your home work.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,764 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Anyone interested in this should start by watching all Dala's YT videos on it.

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,489 ✭✭✭Old diesel


    I love the fact the person made the decision to pay for a battery upgrade.

    1) obviously happy with EV which is great.

    2) it's a refreshing to see someone choose to invest in keeping their old EV on the road.

    A refreshing change from the automatic assumption of no one will ever replace an EV battery pack out of warranty.

    I see no difference between this and someone putting big money into an older ICE car that they like.

    It's nice to see that swapping a battery pack is possible



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